Hurry up! Hurry up! Hurryyyyyyyyyyyyyy UP! Right now! Pass a bill that will change the course of America from this point on BY CHRISTMAS! And then push the final form back to February. Politico is reporting that the WH is stating they expect healthcare not to be completed until February – DON’T YOU BELIEVE IT! We are talking about the Barry, Harry, and Nancy show folks; they wanted it by Christmas and ‘taking care of Nebraska’ got it done. I am still expecting more District of Criminals shenanigans to get a bill to the whiner-in-chief by his State-Of-The-USSA speech.
This bill has never been about health care reform, because if it was, we wouldn’t be paying for something four years before the ‘benefits’ are implemented in 2014. If health care reform was the actual goal, common sense bills would have been written that had the bi-partisan support of both the House and Senate, Americans would have been on board, and those bills would already be law and the changes already implemented. How long has one side of the aisle been “working” on health care reform in the dark of the night, and behind closed and LOCKED doors? Ah, yes, Obama has changed politics as usual by just adding steriods and meth to the process.
The White House privately anticipates health care talks to slip into February — past President Barack Obama’s first State of the Union address — and then plans to make a “very hard pivot” to a new jobs bill, according to senior administration officials.
Obama has been told that disputes over abortion and the tight schedule are highly likely to delay a final deal, a blow to the president, who had hoped to trumpet a health care victory in his big speech to the nation. But he has also been told that House Democratic leaders seem inclined, at least for now, to largely accept the compromise worked out in the Senate, virtually ensuring he will eventually get a deal.
The first order of business will be getting a health care deal, which Obama and Democrats see as inevitable. The White House is working closely with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and other leading liberals to make sure the House does not push for significant changes to the compromise worked out in the Senate. This will force House Democrats, who often feel slighted by all the attention and influence the Senate gets, to swallow a compromise it did not write or advocate.
I wonder how that is going to work out for them in November 2010? I wonder how many more dems are going to flip to republican before then?
After everything we have been through with Obama and his radical czars, and the Democratic Party pushing the envelope with their re-distribution of America’s wealth through legislation, I still did not think I would live to see my son’s future to self-determination signed away by a weasel from Nevada. I was wrong, and yes, George, Thomas, and John; there are fascists living and breathing in the house that you built.
Harry Reid has slid language into the ObamaDeathcare bill that would prohibit future congresses from repealing or changing a very particular section pertaining to the death panels. I am wondering why Harry did not just ‘go for the gold’ and write it for the entire bill so that we could state honestly that we are now a fascist state and not a democracy
ANY SENATOR that would now vote to pass this bill should be fired immediately (with extreme prejudice).
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Section 3403 of Senator Harry Reid’s amendment requires that “it shall not be in order in the Senate or the House of Representatives to consider any bill, resolution, amendment, or conference report that would repeal or otherwise change this subsection.” The good news is that this only applies to one section of the Obamacare legislation. The bad news is that it applies to regulations imposed on doctors and patients by the Independent Medicare Advisory Boards a/k/a the Death Panels.
We Are No Longer a Nation of Laws. Senate Sets Up Requirement for Super-Majority to Ever Repeal Obamacare
The Senate Democrats declare a super-majority of senators will be needed to overrule any regulation imposed by the Death Panels
If ever the people of the United States rise up and fight over passage of Obamacare, Harry Reid must be remembered as the man who sacrificed the dignity of his office for a few pieces of silver. The rules of fair play that have kept the basic integrity of the Republic alive have died with Harry Reid. Reid has slipped in a provision into the health care legislation prohibiting future Congresses from changing any regulations imposed on Americans by the Independent Medicare [note: originally referred to as “medical”] Advisory Boards, which are commonly called the “Death Panels.”
It was Reid leading the Democrats who ignored 200 years of Senate precedents to rule that Senator Sanders could withdraw his amendment while it was being read.
It was Reid leading the Democrats who has determined again and again over the past few days that hundreds of years of accumulated Senate parliamentary rulings have no bearing on the health care vote.
On December 21, 2009, however, Harry Reid sold out the Republic in toto.
Upon examination of Senator Harry Reid’s amendment to the health care legislation, Senators discovered section 3403. That section changes the rules of the United States Senate.
To change the rules of the United States Senate, there must be sixty-seven votes.
Section 3403 of Senator Harry Reid’s amendment requires that “it shall not be in order in the Senate or the House of Representatives to consider any bill, resolution, amendment, or conference report that would repeal or otherwise change this subsection.” The good news is that this only applies to one section of the Obamacare legislation. The bad news is that it applies to regulations imposed on doctors and patients by the Independent Medicare Advisory Boards a/k/a the Death Panels.
Section 3403 of Senator Reid’s legislation also states, “Notwithstanding rule XV of the Standing Rules of the Senate, a committee amendment described in subparagraph (A) may include matter not within the jurisdiction of the Committee on Finance if that matter is relevant to a proposal contained in the bill submitted under subsection (c)(3).” In short, it sets up a rule to ignore another Senate rule.
Senator Jim DeMint confronted the Democrats over Reid’s language. In the past, the Senate Parliamentarian has repeatedly determined that any legislation that also changes the internal standing rules of the Senate must have a two-thirds vote to pass because to change Senate rules, a two-thirds vote is required. Today, the Senate President, acting on the advice of the Senate Parliamentarian, ruled that these rules changes are actually just procedural changes and, despite what the actual words of the legislation say, are not rules changes. Therefore, a two-thirds vote is not needed in contravention to longstanding Senate precedent.
How is that constitutional? It is just like the filibuster. Only 51 votes are needed to pass the amendments, but internally, the Senate is deciding that it will not consider certain business. The Supreme Court is quite clear that it won’t meddle with the internal operations of the House and Senate. To get around the prohibition on considering amendments to that particular subsection of the health care legislation, the Senate must get two-thirds of the Senate to agree to waive the rule. In other words, it will take a super-majority of the people the citizens of our Republican elected to overrule a regulation imposed by a group of faceless bureaucrats and bean counters.
RedState has the entire transcript of Senator Jim DeMint’s remarks here.
I know numerous people, republicans, indies, and current and former dems that would follow this woman to hell and back because they believe that she is real, sincere, patriotic, and a protector of our Constitution and our rights. I happen to think they are right!
I knew that Sarah resigning her office as governor was the shot across the dem’s bow, and they knew it also. That is why they came out and tried to decimate her even more after she announced her resignation and after her farewell speech to Alaskans.
It’s been a rather quiet week on the Palin front until today, and it is the day I have been waiting for because we know just a little bit of Sarah goes a long way. (Unlike a certain democratic resident that just has to beat a dead horse on national television daily to the point where a 79 year old Iowan woman is selling her tvs.)
As more Americans delve into the disturbing details of the nationalized health care plan that the current administration is rushing through Congress, our collective jaw is dropping, and we’re saying not just no, but hell no!
The Democrats promise that a government health care system will reduce the cost of health care, but as the economist Thomas Sowell has pointed out, government health care will not reduce the cost; it will simply refuse to pay the cost. And who will suffer the most when they ration care? The sick, the elderly, and the disabled, of course. The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama’s “death panel” so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their “level of productivity in society,” whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil.
Health care by definition involves life and death decisions. Human rights and human dignity must be at the center of any health care discussion.
Rep. Michele Bachmann highlighted the Orwellian thinking of the president’s health care advisor, Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, the brother of the White House chief of staff, in a floor speech to the House of Representatives. I commend her for being a voice for the most precious members of our society, our children and our seniors.
We must step up and engage in this most crucial debate. Nationalizing our health care system is a point of no return for government interference in the lives of its citizens. If we go down this path, there will be no turning back. Ronald Reagan once wrote, “Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we’ll ever see on this earth.” Let’s stop and think and make our voices heard before it’s too late.
Remember! Obama is all about control, control, control…
The british MEP Daniel Hannan on Glenn Beck speaking about the UK’s national health care program and what it really means here:
The Reality Of Socialized Medicine:
My opinion of everything that has been happening on the ground recently is just another Saul Alinsky tactic to make the average American so mad that they get involved in health care reform….but do we really need to be doing healthcare reform RIGHT NOW? This strategy gets everybody to agree that it needs to be done now, instead of waiting until, let’s say, we don’t have 10% unemployment, we aren’t $71 Trillion in debt, and we have an actual bipartisan elected government giving a crap about us instead of the special interest groups – like say November, 2010?
If you are interested in a 30 minute speech from this british rock star who does actually know THE MATERIAL, unlike Bambi – the constitutional professor, go here.
Bill Press is obviously part of the Beltway crowd that is so totally disconnected to the rest of America that he can make statements like these about average Americans protesting at townhall meetings:
If I was a Democratic Congressman or Senator having a townhall meeting, I would pay these guys to show up because I think they show a very ugly side of America.
Not necessarily the republican party; I don’t know who they stand for…
Protestors are Ugly and Disruptive
Americans want serious discussion, they just don’t want mob rule…
It’s obviously orchestrated…
I don’t know who they are, but I don’t think they are doing the republican party any good.
Bill? I do not know who you are either, and you may be right that what is happening is making the republican party look bad. Guess what? I don’t give a flying super secret squirrel’s tail!
THIS IS HAPPENING BECAUSE THE BELTWAY HAS NOT BEEN LISTENING!
(Satire) Yes Robert, the republican party called me, the little tiny bastard red-headed step-child blogger out in left field personally and asked me to start writing about this issue back on:
In a meeting with House Republicans at the White House Thursday, President Obama reminded the minority that the last time he reached out to them, they reacted with zero votes — twice — for his stimulus package. And then he reminded them again. And again. And again.
A GOP source familiar with the meeting said that the president was extremely sensitive — even “thin-skinned” – to the fact that the stimulus bill received no GOP votes in the House. He continually brought it up throughout the meeting.
Obama also offered payback for that goose egg. A major overhaul of the health care system, he told the Republican leadership, would be done using a legislative process known as reconciliation, meaning that the GOP won’t be able to filibuster it.
I want what I want, when I want it, and I want it now.
Congress has until October 15 to pass health care or student lending reform under the normal process. If it doesn’t, reconciliation can be used to eliminate the 60-vote requirement.
Democratic aides said that Obama made clear to the GOP leadership that he would continue to work in a bipartisan way, but that they didn’t have veto power over health care policy. GOP aides, however, said that Obama was pretty clear that reconciliation would be used. “From what was told me, it sounded more like he would almost definitely use reconciliation for healthcare. I don’t think he hedged much,” said one.
The White House on Tuesday dismissed protests against President Obama’s health care reforms in multiple states over the weekend as “manufactured anger” orchestrated by right wing groups and the Republican party.
“I hope people will take a jaundiced eye to what is clearly the Astroturf nature of grass-roots lobbying,” said White House press secretary Robert Gibbs during a morning off-camera session in his office with reporters.
“This is manufactured anger,” he said.
Mr. Gibbs implied that the Republican Party is using operatives to make it appear as if members of the administration and of Congress are encountering genuine outrage and anger over the president’s proposed health care reforms.
So now we are not only “domestic terrorists” according to Janet, but we appear to be “operatives” according to the WH. This is dangerous language Mr. Obama, and it continues the dangerous division of “us” and “them” that your administration started, oh so many months ago. It’s a good thing my grammie has passed over or she would know exactly what to do with that bar of soap.
UPDATE: Because this video is coming from the National Republican Congressional Committee YouTube Channel, every single one of these Wisconsin voters have to be Republican Operatives! (Snark)
And just for the record, my readers know this but the newbies probably do not, The Monster HAS NEVER been registered as a Republican.
None of the Monster’s readers are going to be surprised by this because we know who we are dealing with, but I just received this information in an email and I want to send a message to the White House, though I am sure that the little obots that come here and leave the koolaid and verbal grenades have already “reported” me to their masters.
Everyone stand up and please give that very special Monster wave to the White House and this fascist administration! If you feel like standing up to this ridiculous attempt to set fascism in motion and report yourself, the email address is below.
I am a natural born, American citizen that has been standing up and opposing the abuse of our Constitutional Rights by this administration! I will continue to exercise my God-given rights of FREE SPEECH! This is America – NOT A BANANA REPUBLIC!
I AM ONE OF THOSE THAT OPPOSES BARACK OBAMA’S HEALTH CARE REFORM!
From Redstate, (and I did go check the information on WHgov):
If you see anybody publicly opposing President Obama’s plan to implement a government-centric overhaul of the health care system, the White House wants you to report that person (or persons) ASAP.
There is a lot of disinformation about health insurance reform out there, spanning from control of personal finances to end of life care. These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation. Since we can’t keep track of all of them here at the White House, we’re asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to flag@whitehouse.gov.
Emphasis added. Of course, as we’ve seen in the health care debate to date, the term “disinformation” is used by the Obama White House as a catchall to describe any opposition to the President’s push for single-payer, government-run health care — meaning the White House wants to be informed of any forwarded emails or blog posts or any “casual conversations” that could be taken as opposition to their health care overhaul plan.
The White House has, as yet, offered no explanation of what it is they plan to do with the tips on policy opposition they hope to receive from citizen informers.
Since we now have that out of the way, here is the question? Why would the Great Uniter be trying to divide people even more? Is he really trying to turn Americans against each other and create a powderkeg for violence.
Next question: Are these the actions of a true patriotic American and a leader?
Nothing says “THE TRUTH” like tape. Mr. Resident – you said these words, did you not? Are you trying to rewrite history?
UDPATE:
I received this very well written letter in another email with the suggestion that we all send this on to the White House. Which of course is definitely taking the high road! I have received permission to put this up and you may copy and paste and send it on to the WH. Remember to be polite!
Greetings, sir, I pray for your health and that God may grant you peace and wisdom.
I am writing to you at this email address because of a post at the White House blog that, frankly, sir, has me a bit concerned.
I am certain that you are committed to freedom and liberty and do not intend on decreasing the level of freedom or the participation of citizens in the process of deciding public policy for our nation, even if that might mean that some of your initiatives have to be scaled back or simply abandoned.
Some might, however, question your commitment to freedom and the participation of citizens in the decision making process and this is why I am writing, respectfully, in the hope of seeing a happy resolution to what I hope is merely a poorly stated appeal for help in support of your health care initiative.
I understand you are asking people, through your staff, to email flag@whitehouse.gov to report people who oppose your health care plan, even though, Mr. President, you have NOT actually sent out a specific proposal and there are multiple different proposals.
Your appeal, which I sincerely believe is a call for informants (http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/Facts-Are-Stubborn-Things/) was cloaked in what seems to some, myself included, doublespeak, and to my mind this appeal carries the implication that the White House wants to capture the names of opponents, which has a potentially chilling effect on open debate.
As part of this appeal, you tell your readers, basically, that people who are citing video of yourself calling for a single payer system and detailing an incrementalist approach ‘liars’, something that is both impolite and, frankly, juvenile and beneath contempt. Those statements were made by you, Mr. President. If indeed you are opposed to a single payer plan and have changed your mind, it is useful to you, and citizens who may even support you but for this perception, to clear this matter up rather than blaming others for a reasonable and logical assumption based on what you actually said.
Mr. President, facts ARE stubborn things and unless or until you publicly disavow a single payer system and actually ANNOUNCE and put in print YOUR health care proposal, it is only reasonable to think that all those things you have said are still on the table and part of your overall plan.
Mr. President, are you willing to state what your plan is then publicly disavow any plan that involves single payer plans in any fashion?
Further, Mr. President, would you be willing to solemnly swear that the minute you propose or even SIGN any bill that includes a single player plan or a precursor thereto that you will resign your office? Are you willing, sir, to resign your office if the implementation of your plan results in anything more than a 10% decrease in the number of people enrolled in private plans within 4 years after whatever bill is passed?
Please be advised, Mr. President, I will not be monitored: I oppose what some refer to as ‘Obamacare’ on the basis of my conviction that the Federal Power has no business sticking its nose in such things, a point of view that I sincerely believe is consistent with the original intent of our Founders. I respect that you feel differently and read that differently, but to dismiss our point of view with juvenile and petty name-calling that is clearly beneath contempt and that is simply not professional is a reflection on the content of your character that will not turn Americans against those who oppose state-run or regulated and managed health care by ANY name.
I am NOT afraid to stand up for my convictions, I respect you and your office, and I rightfully and justly demand that you and your staff respect me and my office, the office of “elector”, one of your 300 million “bosses”.
I respectfully request that you stop asking people to become informants, please spend a few minutes and re-read your constitution which you swore to uphold, and which is a condition of your tenure which must be adhered to.
I am enclosing a copy of this email to my member of Congress, my Senators, and my Governor as well as any local media and asking them to investigate WHY the White House is trying to capture names of opponents and asking people to inform on opponents.
If your office is seeking to obtain names of people who oppose your plan and to engage other Americans as informants or agents I would, and I am sure many others would, consider this to be a SERIOUS offense against the Bill of Rights if indeed your objective here is to do this, so, with this in mind, sir, please cease and desist and respect even those who oppose you in a civil and fair manner.
I pray that this communication is seen as a friendly appeal for a quick and amicable resolution of my concerns or, at worse, a friendly rebuke if you will due to what is clearly impolite behavior that is beneath of the dignity of the Presidency or the White House.
May you continue to be in good health and good spirits as you lead our free nation of free and sovereign citizens who wish you, and America, godspeed within the reasonable constraints of liberty, justice, and our Constitution.
Yours in service to the Republic,
(Make sure to take out Bill’s signature and add your own)
Bill Collier,
By the Grace of God, Citizen and Elector, The Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, The United States of America
Where does all the money for healthcare for some 308 million (and rising) people come from?
I have to ask the question. Why do certain segments of the population think that single payer health care is the way to go? Why? Is it because they really think it’s free, or because they have numerous pre-existing conditions that they cannot pay for treatment of, or because they just plain think they deserve it without earning it? I’m just lost on that one, and that is probably because I am such an unapologetic capitalist with morals.
My tax dollars go to Medicare and I have absolutely no problem with that because I believe that a society that does not take care of it’s elders has some very serious moral compass issues. Our elders have untold amounts of personal life experience and wisdom to impart if we just stop and listen, and I am always amazed at those folks that just shove their parents off into nursing homes to wither. The “greatest generation” is currently “going home” and with them untold amounts of knowledge.
On the flipside, this does not mean my tax dollars should go to take care of every single person in the country that decides not to take care of themselves, eat right, exercise…etc. America was built on the principal of independence and personal responsibility. For too long our healthcare system has been driven by what the insurance companies will allow, and their capitalism on steriods. I have watched many small businesses suffer because they have less than twenty employees and either have to change their plan, not be able to compete because they cannot offer medical benefits, or go bankrupt. I have spent most of my life without any health insurance at all, and have paid the emergency room bills out of my own pocket. Now I have insurance that I pay a pretty penny for because I work for a small business, but the insurance company won’t pay for lab tests on a yearly checkup; so I do.
I still believe the free market is the best way to go. Consumer driven insurance policies that cut across state lines and make the insurance companies compete for your policy that you take with even when you change jobs.
I’m looking for the downside to making the insurance companies work for their dinner. Let me know your thoughts because I am definitely open to coming up with something better than that 1017 page piece of shinola that our resident and non-reps think is the “best way to get to single payer”.
Sen. DeMint: People Are “Panicked” About Obamacare
