The actual Senate bill hasn’t even been posted for any of us to read it yet, and the marxists in the White House are whipping the Senate to pass healthcare reform before next year when the 2010 election cycle will begin. I am starting to think all this drama is meant to wear us down because after the tea parties, townhall meetings, the 9.12 march, and D.C. “house calls”, it is more than apparent that they are hearing us and can’t be bothered to do what we ask. They are about to usher 36 million more Americans into doctors’ offices. Hmm….307 million Americans, and roughly 853,000 doctors…what’s the math on that? I read somewhere that it is 279 docs per 100,000 people. Are they going to incentivize becoming a doctor now? When is the madness going to end?
WASHINGTON — The White House, growing concerned that the Congressional timetable for passing a health care overhaul could slip into next year, is stepping up pressure on the Senate for quick action, with President Obama appearing Sunday in the Rose Garden to call on senators to “take up the baton and bring this effort to the finish line.”
Mr. Obama’s remarks came just 14 hours after the House narrowly approved a landmark plan that would cost $1.1 trillion over 10 years and extend insurance coverage to 36 million uninsured Americans; the president called it “a courageous vote.” But the votes had barely been counted when the White House began turning its attention to an even bigger hurdle: getting legislation passed in the Senate.
“…a courageous vote.” Mr. Obama, you have not yet seen the courage of the American people, and mark my words, it is coming.
In the Senate, Mr. Reid has merged two bills into one. The fine print is not public, but the broad outlines are known. Unlike the House bill, which pays to extend coverage by taxing individuals who earn more than $500,000 a year and couples who earn more than $1 million, the Senate bill imposes a 40 percent excise tax on so-called Cadillac plans that cost more than $8,000 a year for an individual or $21,000 for a family.
And unlike the House bill, which includes a national public plan, the Senate measure would allow states to opt out. But even that is too much government involvement for moderates like Senator Joseph I. Lieberman of Connecticut, a Democrat-turned-independent, who pledged Sunday to wage a filibuster to block any plan with a public option in it.
Yes, your state can opt out, like Hawaii, but you will still be paying the taxes.
“If the public option plan is in there,” Mr. Lieberman said on “Fox News Sunday,” “as a matter of conscience, I will not allow this bill to come to a final vote.”
What a joke! How many of us believe that Lieberman is actually going to stand up?
Apart from substantive hurdles, the Senate bill faces procedural ones; Mr. Reid cannot bring it to the floor for debate until he gets an analysis, or “score,” from the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, expected later this week. The delay could push Senate consideration of the bill until after Thanksgiving, which could in turn make it very difficult for Congress to meet Mr. Obama’s goal of signing a health bill into law by the end of this year.
The timing is crucial. Administration officials say Mr. Obama wants to wrap up work on health care so that he can turn his attention to other legislative priorities, including passing an energy bill and revamping financial regulations. But White House officials also know that the closer the final vote comes to the November 2010 midterm Congressional elections, the more difficult it will be to pass legislation.
I wonder what the percentage of the private wealth now controlled by the federal government will be after they pass Cap and Trade. That percentage is currently 30% since Obama took office, and will be 48% if healthcare goes through. They should be called tax and straightjacket liberals for all the new regulations that are decimating free enterprise in this country.
Sending members of Congress home over an extended Christmas break without a health care bill in hand could prove disastrous politically. Democrats remember well the setbacks they suffered over the August recess when the Senate Finance Committee failed to meet Mr. Obama’s deadline for finishing its measure, and lawmakers were pummeled in town-hall-style meetings around the country.
“The holiday break is viewed the same way as the August break,” said one Democrat close to the White House, speaking anonymously to discuss strategy. “We don’t want a repeat. We could probably survive it, but why take the chance?” (emphasis mine)
Are You Freakin’ Kidding Me? These elitist aristocrats have absolutely no idea the buttons they are pushing, and if constitutionalists and conservatives did not have such strong moral compasses, and believe in the strength of the Constitution, dark days would have already been upon us and the aristocrats chances of survival would have been nil.
WASHINGTON — Top Senate Democrats are close to finalizing their health bill and could unveil a measure as soon as early this week that would include stiffer penalties on employers who fail to provide health coverage.
Senate leaders plan to submit the bill to the Congressional Budget Office for a cost estimate as soon as Monday, and make the legislation public as soon as Tuesday, according to a person familiar with the negotiations.
Details of the legislation could change, but its broad outlines are becoming clear. Employers with more than 50 workers wouldn’t be required to provide health insurance, but they would face fines of up to $750 per employee if even part of their work force received a government subsidy to buy health insurance, this person said. A bill passed by the Senate Finance Committee had a lower fine of up to $400 per employee.
The bill to be brought to the Senate floor would create a new public health-insurance plan, but would give states the choice of opting out of participating in it, a proposal that Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada backed last week.
The bill is expected to expand health coverage to tens of millions of Americans by giving low- and middle-income Americans subsidies to offset the cost of insurance, and expanding the Medicaid federal-state insurance program to cover a broader swath of the poor. Most people would be required to buy insurance or pay a fine, though exceptions would be made for those deemed unable to afford it.
Also expected are new rules on insurers to prevent them from denying coverage to people with pre-existing health conditions and from dropping customers’ insurance once they become ill.
Mr. Reid spent the weekend shoring up support for the bill from Democrats in the chamber. But some key moderate Democrats signaled Sunday that they remain uneasy about main planks of the legislation. “I certainly am not excited about a public option where states would opt out,” Sen. Ben Nelson (D., Neb.) said on CNN’s “State of the Union.”
The bill is the culmination of days of meetings between Mr. Reid, other top Senate Democrats and White House officials, who melded two health bills that passed through Senate committees into one piece of legislation.
In both the House and Senate, Democratic leaders are showing determination to bring legislation to floor votes in November, with President Barack Obama saying he wants to sign a bill enacting his top domestic priority before the end of the year. The House is expected to unveil the latest version of its health bill as soon as this week.
What that all means is this; we still don’t know what is and what isn’t in it. You can bet it is, more than likely, over the original 1,503 pages, and the cost doesn’t take into account the collapsing real estate market.
Timing is everything in a crisis…
10.26.09: Harry Reid is pushing for the public option. Anybody surprised?
Senate Majority Leader will announce this afternoon that he plans to push ahead with a public option vote — one that includes an opt-out provision for states — even though he’s currently short several votes for passage, according to people close to the situation.
The Nevada Democrat has a 3:15 p.m. press conference to discuss details.
Leadership sources tell me that Reid, who spoke with virtually every member of his 60-member caucus this weekend, currently has between 56 and 57 votes for the opt-out, which is being pushed by Sen. Charles Schumer, according to Democratic aides.
A public option with a delayed “trigger” — supported by the White House and Maine Republican Sen. Olympia Snowe — has between 58 and 59 backers. It could be floated as an alternative if the opt-out measure fails to obtain the 60 votes needed for cloture, sources said.
I believe I actually read somewhere that the healthcare reform bill is going to cost $3 Trillion, and for the life of me, I cannot remember where I saw that; maybe Cato – I’ll have to track it down again.
Anywhoooooo; a question for Harry Reid; is healthcare going to cost $829 Billion, $2 Trillion, or completely bankrupt our economy as we are currently now at $105 TRILLION in unfunded liabilities without healthcare reform?
He talked about CBO saying that there would be $54 billion saved each year if we put caps on medical malpractice and put some restrictions…tort reform…$54 billion. Sounds like a lot of money, doesn’t it, Mr. President? The answer is yes. But remember, were talking about $2 trillion, $54 billion compared to $2 trillion. You can do the math. We can all do the math. Its a very small percent.
When was the last time you saw our country this FUBAR on every possible issue or policy by complete imbeciles? When was the last time you felt as if our government was, in total, being run by lobotomized walking meat sacks with their fingers on the pulse of a corpse? When? Yes, I know Bush II was a blithering idiot most of the time, but at least I could sleep at night and I knew that Nancy and Harry weren’t sneaking into my kid’s room to steal his piggy bank while pouring gasoline on my house and cheering at the bright colors.
Today (10.06.09) has been one hell of day from the UN trying to drop the dollar as the world’s reserve currency to the dance team of Harry and Nancy trying to keep their healthcare bills off the internet because they just realized that Americans that vote can read. Some days, (and today was one), I just cannot write because of the overwhelming amount of One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s nest swirling all around us. Until now. The capper was Harry Reid’s possible stealth legislation for a public option, but a little background first.
The most important fundamental is that 68% of American voters have health-insurance coverage they rate good or excellent. That number comes from polling conducted this past weekend of 1,000 likely voters. Most of these voters approach the health-care reform debate fearing that they have more to lose than to gain.
Adding to President Barack Obama’s challenge as he sells health-care reform to the public is the fact that most voters are skeptical about the government’s ability to do anything well. While the president says his plan will reduce costs, 53% believe it will have the opposite effect.
There’s also the reality that 74% of voters rate the quality of care they now receive as good or excellent. And 50% fear that if Congress passes health-care reform, it will lead to a decline in the quality of that care. (emphasis mine)
Advocates of health-care reform on Capitol Hill are up against something bigger than voters’ reactions to a variety of specific proposals. Our polling in February found that by a 2-1 margin, voters believe that no matter how bad things are Congress can always make matters worse. That’s one reason 78% believe passage of the current congressional health-care proposals is likely to mean higher taxes for the middle class.
Beyond the intensity of the opposition and its momentum, there is also a huge partisan gap that puts congressional Democrats in a very difficult position. Currently, 76% of Democratic voters favor the health-care reform plan proposed by Mr. Obama and the congressional Democrats, and they are counting on their representatives to deliver.
But delivering for the Democratic base has the potential to hurt the party’s standing among independents. Among the unaffiliated, 35% are in favor of the Democrats’ health-care reform initiative, and 60% are opposed. Notably, just 16% of unaffiliated voters strongly favor the legislative effort; 47% strongly oppose it.
So what do Harry and Nancy have up their sleeves; two completely un-American actions, with a third possible action that will decimate the middle and poor classes. What happened to Bambi’s transparency, representing your constituents, and no new taxes for anyone making less than $250,000 $200,000, $150,000?
A similar effort is under way in Congress. Reps. Brian Baird, D-Wash., and Greg Walden, R-Ore., are circulating a petition among House lawmakers that would force a vote on the 72-hour rule.
Nearly every Republican has signed on, but the Democratic leadership is unwilling to cede control over when bills are brought to the floor for votes and are discouraging their rank and file from signing the petition. Senate Democrats voted down a similar measure last week for the health care bill.
Just so you won’t think I am picking on the dems, since I really dislike both parties, and I really, really, dislike the completely un-Constitutional Patriot Act passed in the dark of the night without anybody reading it….
The reluctance to implement a three-day rule is not unique to the Democrats.
The Republican majority rushed through the controversial Patriot Act in the wake of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks as well as a massive Medicare prescription drug bill in 2003 that added hundreds of billions of dollars to the deficit.
I guess Harry and Nancy are pulling a Bambi and Mishy maneuver of “I want what I want, when I want it, because I want it, and everybody else can just **** off”. But it gets better, and please keep in mind that a greater percentage of Americans DO NOT WANT A PUBLIC OPTION, do not like liars, and are really getting tired of the “dark of the night” votes.
Senate Democrats desperate to find a way to pass a health care bill that includes a federal insurance plan may have come up with a way to do it without putting moderate members who oppose it in political jeopardy.
Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., is weighing a plan to bring the final health care bill to the floor without a public option — making it much easier to get the 60 votes needed to prevent a Republican filibuster — and then adding the provision later as an amendment.
The public option amendment would be there waiting, but the 60-vote test would technically be on a bill without the government plan. Then moderate Democrats could drop out for the vote on the public option, which requires just 51 votes for passage.
“It’s brilliant,” said a top Senate Republican aide. “It gets you your votes on cloture for a package that does not include a public option.”
Reid has not revealed whether he will use this tactic, but he’s considering it.
“We haven’t made any decisions yet,” his spokesman, Jim Manley, said. “We have different options — that is one.”
Senate aides suggest that after passage in the upper chamber, the Senate bill — public option included — could then be sent to the House, allowing the lower chamber to simply pass Reid’s legislation instead of taking up its own bill. That route would avoid a protracted and contentious battle to meld two different bills and might allow President Obama and Democrats to achieve their goal of passing health care reform by year’s end.
Open-government proponents slammed the tactic, saying it would be a bait-and-switch gambit for the Senate to put forward a bill without a public insurance option, only to slip it in later.
And then add Nancy’s further insanity to this mix; the VAT.
A new value-added tax (VAT) is “on the table” to help the U.S. address its fiscal liabilities, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said Monday night.
The VAT is a tax on manufacturers at each stage of production on the amount of value an additional producer adds to a product.
Pelosi argued that the VAT would level the playing field between U.S. and foreign manufacturers, the latter of which do not have pension and healthcare costs included in the price of their goods because their governments provide those services, financed by similar taxes.
“They get a tax off of that and they use that money to pay the healthcare for their own workers,” Pelosi said, using the example of auto manufacturers. “So their cars coming into our country don’t have a healthcare component cost.
“Somewhere along the way, a value-added tax plays into this. Of course, we want to take down the healthcare cost, that’s one part of it,” the Speaker added. “But in the scheme of things, I think it’s fair look at a value- added tax as well.”
Pelosi said that any new taxes would come after the Congress finishes the healthcare debate consuming most lawmakers’ time, and that it may come as part of a larger overhaul to the tax code. The Speaker also emphasized that any reworking of the tax code would not result in an increase in taxes on middle-class Americans.
Lobotomized walking meat sack with her hand on the pulse of a corpse. Read it again:
The VAT is a tax on manufacturers at each stage of production on the amount of value an additional producer adds to a product.
Is Nancy so arrogant as to believe that we do not know that every single one of us will be paying that added tax on top of our now, “work until August to pay your taxes”, tax liability? Damn, but I hate liars. Now excuse me while I go throw up again.
(P.S. If you are new to the Monster, please take the time to read this – as it is the number one hacked post on this site. I wonder why?)
I have a friend who says that if you speak the truth, you are rude. I guess David Feherty is being rude. I think CBS should do a proper survey and find out….of course, I am sure TPTB would find the results rather disconcerting.
CBS Sports commentator David Feherty drew criticism Friday for suggesting any U.S. soldier would murder House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) if given the chance.
“From my own experience visiting the troops in the Middle East, I can tell you this, though: despite how the conflict has been portrayed by our glorious media, if you gave any U.S. soldier a gun with two bullets in it, and he found himself in an elevator with Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and Osama bin Laden, there’s a good chance that Nancy Pelosi would get shot twice, and Harry Reid and bin Laden would be strangled to death,” Feherty wrote in an a D Magazine piece welcoming former President George W. Bush back to Dallas.
“Mr. Feherty’s violent comments about Speaker Pelosi and Majority Leader Reid are disgusting,” said Media Matters President Eric Burns. “Suggesting that our troops would attack the leaders of the very democracy they’ve sworn to sacrifice their lives for is an insult to their integrity, honor, and professionalism. CBS Sports should demand its golf analyst apologize to our soldiers.”
What do you think, and remember, this site is monitored.
(Update #4: 3-24-09 7:19pm est.: I cannot find any mention anywhere that this was actually voted on today. I will keep looking.)
(Update #3: 3-24-09: It appears that this bill is being bundled with S277 Serve America Act which is going to be voted on today. They are going through an awful lot of trouble to hide this bill and you would not believe who has been showing up to see how much we know about what is happening with it — hint, hint, the US Senate, besides others. All of my loyal readers can send a wave out toJones, Day, Reavis & Pogue. Welcome, and I will add you to the list.)
Please go check the Constitution Page at the top of this blog:
Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime where of the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
(Update #2: 3-24-09: The Senate will reconvene at 2:15pm eastern for this bill. It will be shown on C-Span 2.)
(Update: 3-24-09: There is no mention of the vote on this bill. I have been looking since yesterday afternoon. As soon as I find information pertaining to it’s passage or defeat, I will post it here.)
This morning I received an email from a Facebook group that I became part of yesterday, Stop HR1388!! informing me that the Senate has a different name for HR1388 and is flying it under the radar to be voted on today. What is interesting is that Tyrant Harry Reid, (and I am going to start calling all of them tyrants* because they are acting like tyrants), has asked and been granted cloture. For those of you that are wondering EXACTLY what that means, here’s the definition from the Legal Dictionary:
Cloture is a means of terminating a filibuster, which is a prolonged speech on the floor of the Senate designed to forestall legislative action.
Chair: The cloture motion having been presented under rule XXII, the Chair directs the clerk to read the motion.
Chair: The bill clerk read as follows:
Chair: Cloture Motion
Chair: We, the undersigned Senators, in accordance with the provisions of rule XXII of the Standing Rules of the Senate, hereby move to bring to a close debate on the motion to proceed to Calendar No. 35, H.R. 1388, a bill to reauthorize and reform the national service laws.
Sen. Harry Reid [D-NV]: Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the cloture vote occur on Monday, March 23 at 6 p.m.; and that if cloture is invoked, then postcloture time count as if cloture had been invoked at 3 p.m. that day; further, that the mandatory quorum be waived.
Chair: Without objection, it is so ordered.
I personally do not think calling our Senators is going to do any good. They have the bit in their teeth and they are running with it. This is just more evidence that the Democrats have “run wild” and are trying to slam through as much liberal leftist crap as they can before Bambi’s time runs out. (see Forgery)
For those of you that want to call the Senate and give them a piece of your mind, the switchboard number is 202-224-3121.
Any of my loyal readers want to do some digging and find out who started this group? City Year.org This would be very inspiring if we had not experienced the Hitler Youth Years.
*72% of the American Public was against the Stimulus Bill and they passed it. 99 out of 100 Americans were against Tarp and they passed it.