Yesterday, I verbally slapped a radical, british, muslim for his comments about returning Islam as the beacon of light in the world. It is now the evangelical christian right’s turn for a bit of a reality check. LM readers know that I am a libertarian according to the Nolan Chart. (Some, but not all, readers were surprised to find out what their political leanings were after taking that test.)
This morning, Politico came out with a story about evangelicals being fearful of the tea parties. I know that most of my readership are christians of different hues, but over time I have found that they respect others belief systems and are tolerant as their religion professes. LM’s readership realize that America was founded as a republic, not a theocracy. Religion is important, but not the all controlling dictate of the country.
That being said, the leaders of the christian right appear to not have realized the dire straits the country is in, and want the tea parties to make social issues an important part of the protests.
NEWSFLASH: Social Issues are not sinking the ship! This is one American that is sick and tired of listening to the christian right dictate the moral code just as much as I hate listening to Obama tell me what’s best for me. Millions of Americans of all colors and religions are tea party patriots. They understand what is at stake, and if you are talking about social issues right now, you are part of the problem; not part of the solution.
The rise of a new conservative grass roots fueled by a secular revulsion at government spending is stirring fears among leaders of the old conservative grass roots, the evangelical Christian right.
A reeling economy and the massive bank bailout and stimulus plan were the triggers for a resurgence in support for the Republican Party and the rise of the tea party movement. But they’ve also banished the social issues that are the focus of many evangelical Christians to the background.
There will be no social issues if the economy collapses and everyone is plunged into abject poverty.
And while health care legislation has brought social and economic conservatives together to fight government funding of abortion, some social conservative leaders have begun to express concern that tea party leaders don’t care about their issues, while others object to the personal vitriol against President Barack Obama, whose personal conduct many conservative Christians applaud.
I would like to know exactly what personal conduct can be applauded? Attacking Americans, name calling, lying about almost everything, etc.?
“There’s a libertarian streak in the tea party movement that concerns me as a cultural conservative,” said Bryan Fischer, director of Issue Analysis for Government and Public Policy at the American Family Association. “The tea party movement needs to insist that candidates believe in the sanctity of life and the sanctity of marriage.” (emphasis mine)
EXCUSE ME? This is exactly what pisses me off about the radical christian right; just like the radical muslims. America was founded by people that no longer wanted to be owned and told what to do, where to live, and how to think.
“As far as I can tell [the tea party movement] has a politics that’s irreligious. I can’t see how some of my fellow conservatives identify with it,” said Richard Cizik, who broke with a major evangelical group over his support for government action on climate change, but who remains largely in line with the Christian right on social issues. “The younger Evangelicals who I interact with are largely turned off by the tea party movement — by the incivility, the name-calling, the pathos of politics.”
If you can’t take the heat, get the hell out of the kitchen. The Tea Party Movement is trying to stop a train wreck of biblical proportions. Lead, follow, or get out of the way.
There’s no centralized tea party organization, and anecdotes suggest that many tea party participants hold socially conservative views. But those views have been little in evidence at movement gatherings or in public statements, and are sometimes deliberately excluded from the political agenda. The groups coordinating them eschew social issues, and a new Contract From America, has become an article of concern on the social right.
Is gay marriage or abortion going to sink this country right now? Nope? …moving on…
The contract, sponsored by the grass-roots Tea Party Patriots as well as Washington groups such as FreedomWorks and Americans for Tax Reform, asks supporters to choose the 10 most important issues from a menu of 21 choices that makes no mention of socially conservative priorities such as gay marriage and abortion.
“They’re free to do it, but they can’t say [the contract] represents America,” said Family Research Council President Tony Perkins, a veteran of the Christian right. “If they do it they’re lying.”
Okay, now we are liars again. Really? At this point, banning gay marriage and relegating a woman to property status once she conceives aren’t really a priority as the Titanic is about to slip under the surface.
Groups such as FreedomWorks, said Perkins, bring a libertarian bias that doesn’t represent the “true tea parties.” Brendan Steinhauser, the director of federal and state campaigns at FreedomWorks, responded that the contract represents activists’ priorities.
“People didn’t come out into the streets to protest gay marriage or abortion,” said Steinhauser, who said that he hoped the Republican Party would follow the contract’s cue and “stop bringing up flag-burning amendments and the gay marriage thing when they’re not what people are focused on.”
There’s little data on the disparate tea party movement. One small CNN survey of self-identified tea party activists found that 68 percent identify themselves as Protestants or other non-Catholic Christians, as opposed to just 50 percent in the general population. Only 9 percent of the activists say they’re irreligious, as opposed to 14 percent in the broader sample.
Once again, someone who is not a tea party patriot trying to pigeon hole a movement they refuse to accept as is, and act like they don’t understand.
thank you DT…..it is amazing how many times i have had discussions about this very same topic and they still don’t get it. some are so closed off and readily throw anyone under the bus that does not agree with them 100%.
while watching the b-cast one day, i found a site that is very interesting. they had one of the bloggers on as a guest. they are a group of hiliary democrats that are very anti liberal and anti obama. (they also term themselves reagan democrats, palin democrats, etc) they have some great knowledge regarding the inner workings of political parties and currently, have a plan to undermine the funding of liberal candidates. as they put it….they need to teach those on the right how to defeat liberals, as conservatives are too nice to win this war!!! i have hesitated to post this site on a lot of the sites i visit as i do not want these guys harassed. they are democrats, live in chicago and (heaven forbid!) they are gay. which does not bother me; however, i know there are those that would go out of there way to harass them for this.
anyone with an open mind would love this site. they did a post in dec 2009 that made me sit up and take notice. it was about bush. essentially, they were saying go ahead and attack his policies, but do not attack the man. they have high regard for him and his wife. they wrote about him at ground zero, bullhorn in hand, rallying American patriots. it brought tears to my eyes. they also have some great humorous posts. they are doing a series called class vs crass….comparing michelle to former first ladies. they have a photoshop challenge going on that puts bo and others in scenes from tim burtons alice in wonderland……
if one takes the time to read posts from months ago on this site, you see a journey of sorts that made me feel hopeful for the future of this nation. it is not political parties that matter, it is the people…..
clemintine on March 12, 2010 at 1:30 pm
end of paragraph 2 should read….”out of their way”….
I know them well Clem. They are definitely always good for a laugh and very thought provoking. Though I wonder why they mostly don’t post my comments. Hmm??? Maybe they think I am some right wing conservative – as do many that come here.
Acccording to the Nolan Chart, I am a Centrist. I thought I was a Democrat for many years, but after the last election I found that the Democrats and I have very little in common. My belief is live and let live as long as you don’t break the law or intentionally hurt someone else.
I am a Tea Partier. I have been since the movement began and as far as I’m concerned this does not mean the social issues of all the other members must mirror mine. We are individuals who are drawn together by the fact that we want to save our country from the nefarious forces that are trying to bring it down. As someone has already stated, if we are ruined economically and if our basic rights are taken away, it won’t matter if we condone abortion or not. It is my belief that abortion is a woman’s personal choice and if she feels that is the only avenue for her it is no one else’s business.
The Tea Partiers are true patriots who have their sights set on saving this country and I don’t believe they will let the religious right or the political left influence their thinking too much.
I am a Christian Protestant who believes that it is our right to worship the God that we choose. This does not give us the right to try to force our personal choice of religion (or non-religion) on another person. This bickering back and forth must not be allowed to interfere with th great progress we have made as Patriotic Americans.
Each person’s sexual preference, religion, political belief, etc. should not enter into this movement to take back our country from the usurpers. Don’t let those who would “divide and conquer” win the day.
Kathy on March 12, 2010 at 2:13 pm
Anytime there is a successful movement that was not started by any existing group, there is always the battle to take it over or control it.
I am a conservative Christian who was surprised that she is also a Libertarian, at least according to the Nolan chart. Off course my beliefs on some of the social issues will not be the same as others, that is how the world works and there should be no bashing of others beliefs.
As far as I am concerned the tea party movement started with every day Americans scared for their country and as DT pointed out it is not about abortion or gay marriage, it is about an out of control government who is hell bent on destroying what all Americans , black, white, tan, Christian, Jew, atheist have so long enjoyed. Will there always be difference of opinions on social issues, only if we continue to be a free people, if we lose that than we have lost the ability to disagree on all the other issues.
We can worry about social issues after we save the ship.
Kathy on March 12, 2010 at 2:27 pm
Exactly
NormaJean on March 13, 2010 at 3:20 am
Didn’t we all wonder how long it would take until ‘someone’ came along and interjected social conformities which would derail this movement? As Lee and Kathy have eloquently stated…..never, never include the social issues……as we all agree this is about preserving our nation as the Founding Fathers intended constitutionally and fiscally. Incorporating our diverse social perspectives will entangle the movement and bring it to a halt. Then “they” win (regardless of persuasion) and our great Republic is lost. Stay focused people….this is the beginning of what we’ll see in the next eight months
The Coffee Party will attempt to drown out Americans demanding the government adhere to the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. It will propagandize against Americans outraged by an out of control federal government that has socked future generations with an astronomical debt . It’s been reported this is a thinly veiled attempt to support the bankster plan to bankrupt the country and turn it into a third world cesspool and slave labor gulag based on the China model. “We are 100% grassroots,” declares the Coffee Party USA “About” page. “No lobbyists here. No pundits. And no hyper-partisan strategists calling the shots in this movement. We are a spontaneous and collective expression of our desire to forge a culture of civic engagement that is solution-oriented, not blame-oriented.” The claim is less than honest. On March 3, writing for Prison Planet, Paul Joseph Watson revealed that the Coffee Party USA’s founder is an Obama campaign operative. “Park campaigned for Obama in 2008 and was one of the organizers and operators of the influential United for Obama video channel at YouTube,” writes Watson. “She made over twenty promotional videos for the Obama campaign that drew tens of thousands of views.”
maizie on March 21, 2010 at 8:24 am
I wish you ( and everyone else ) would call them the far right and leave the title of Christian out of it. Just as David Duke has misused the title, so have the political right. There are two groups of Christians-those who are Pilgrims and those who are Puritans. The Pilgrims want the freedom to worship and the Puritans want the power to tell everyone how, when, where and who to worship.
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Yesterday, I verbally slapped a radical, british, muslim for his comments about returning Islam as the beacon of light in the world. It is now the evangelical christian right’s turn for a bit of a reality check. LM readers know that I am a libertarian according to the Nolan Chart. (Some, but not all, readers were surprised to find out what their political leanings were after taking that test.)
This is why co-opting the republican party will not work.
http://www.goooh.com
thank you DT…..it is amazing how many times i have had discussions about this very same topic and they still don’t get it. some are so closed off and readily throw anyone under the bus that does not agree with them 100%.
while watching the b-cast one day, i found a site that is very interesting. they had one of the bloggers on as a guest. they are a group of hiliary democrats that are very anti liberal and anti obama. (they also term themselves reagan democrats, palin democrats, etc) they have some great knowledge regarding the inner workings of political parties and currently, have a plan to undermine the funding of liberal candidates. as they put it….they need to teach those on the right how to defeat liberals, as conservatives are too nice to win this war!!! i have hesitated to post this site on a lot of the sites i visit as i do not want these guys harassed. they are democrats, live in chicago and (heaven forbid!) they are gay. which does not bother me; however, i know there are those that would go out of there way to harass them for this.
anyone with an open mind would love this site. they did a post in dec 2009 that made me sit up and take notice. it was about bush. essentially, they were saying go ahead and attack his policies, but do not attack the man. they have high regard for him and his wife. they wrote about him at ground zero, bullhorn in hand, rallying American patriots. it brought tears to my eyes. they also have some great humorous posts. they are doing a series called class vs crass….comparing michelle to former first ladies. they have a photoshop challenge going on that puts bo and others in scenes from tim burtons alice in wonderland……
if one takes the time to read posts from months ago on this site, you see a journey of sorts that made me feel hopeful for the future of this nation. it is not political parties that matter, it is the people…..
end of paragraph 2 should read….”out of their way”….
also i forgot to post the site…
http://www.hillbuzz.org
I know them well Clem. They are definitely always good for a laugh and very thought provoking. Though I wonder why they mostly don’t post my comments. Hmm??? Maybe they think I am some right wing conservative – as do many that come here.
Acccording to the Nolan Chart, I am a Centrist. I thought I was a Democrat for many years, but after the last election I found that the Democrats and I have very little in common. My belief is live and let live as long as you don’t break the law or intentionally hurt someone else.
I am a Tea Partier. I have been since the movement began and as far as I’m concerned this does not mean the social issues of all the other members must mirror mine. We are individuals who are drawn together by the fact that we want to save our country from the nefarious forces that are trying to bring it down. As someone has already stated, if we are ruined economically and if our basic rights are taken away, it won’t matter if we condone abortion or not. It is my belief that abortion is a woman’s personal choice and if she feels that is the only avenue for her it is no one else’s business.
The Tea Partiers are true patriots who have their sights set on saving this country and I don’t believe they will let the religious right or the political left
influence their thinking too much.
I am a Christian Protestant who believes that it is our right to worship the God that we choose. This does not give us the right to try to force our personal choice of religion (or non-religion) on another person. This bickering back and forth must not be allowed to interfere with th great progress we have made as Patriotic Americans.
Each person’s sexual preference, religion, political belief, etc. should not enter into this movement to take back our country from the usurpers. Don’t let those who would “divide and conquer” win the day.
Anytime there is a successful movement that was not started by any existing group, there is always the battle to take it over or control it.
I am a conservative Christian who was surprised that she is also a Libertarian, at least according to the Nolan chart. Off course my beliefs on some of the social issues will not be the same as others, that is how the world works and there should be no bashing of others beliefs.
As far as I am concerned the tea party movement started with every day
Americans scared for their country and as DT pointed out it is not about abortion or gay marriage, it is about an out of control government who is hell bent on destroying what all Americans , black, white, tan, Christian, Jew, atheist have so long enjoyed. Will there always be difference of opinions on social issues, only if we continue to be a free people, if we lose that than we have lost the ability to disagree on all the other issues.
We can worry about social issues after we save the ship.
Exactly
Didn’t we all wonder how long it would take until ‘someone’ came along and interjected social conformities which would derail this movement? As Lee and Kathy have eloquently stated…..never, never include the social issues……as we all agree this is about preserving our nation as the Founding Fathers intended constitutionally and fiscally. Incorporating our diverse social perspectives will entangle the movement and bring it to a halt. Then “they” win (regardless of persuasion) and our great Republic is lost. Stay focused people….this is the beginning of what we’ll see in the next eight months
Another attempt to distract:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6HP49n5X90
The Coffee Party will attempt to drown out Americans demanding the government adhere to the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. It will propagandize against Americans outraged by an out of control federal government that has socked future generations with an astronomical debt . It’s been reported this is a thinly veiled attempt to support the bankster plan to bankrupt the country and turn it into a third world cesspool and slave labor gulag based on the China model.
“We are 100% grassroots,” declares the Coffee Party USA “About” page. “No lobbyists here. No pundits. And no hyper-partisan strategists calling the shots in this movement. We are a spontaneous and collective expression of our desire to forge a culture of civic engagement that is solution-oriented, not blame-oriented.”
The claim is less than honest. On March 3, writing for Prison Planet, Paul Joseph Watson revealed that the Coffee Party USA’s founder is an Obama campaign operative. “Park campaigned for Obama in 2008 and was one of the organizers and operators of the influential United for Obama video channel at YouTube,” writes Watson. “She made over twenty promotional videos for the Obama campaign that drew tens of thousands of views.”
I wish you ( and everyone else ) would call them the far right and leave the title of Christian out of it. Just as David Duke has misused the title, so have the political right.
There are two groups of Christians-those who are Pilgrims and those who are Puritans. The Pilgrims want the freedom to worship and the Puritans want the power to tell everyone how, when, where and who to worship.