Like I Said Earlier…

On December 8th, I put up a post about O’Reilly endorsing the idea of a 3rd political party to run in the 2010 and 2012 elections.  I stated that I although I love the idea of a 3rd party, the timing for such an event would be devastating and guarantee Obama another term, and the dems would destroy whatever liberty we have left.

Reality Check #3:

For a long time I believed that everyone should become an independent or a non-affiliated voter and then make the two parties bring us candidates we would vote for.  I no longer think we have the luxury of time to make that happen, and here’s why.  In many states, if you are an indie, you are not allowed to vote in primaries so smaller and smaller percentages of the two major parties would be putting forth candidates for everybody to vote on.  Just look at NY-23 where the dem and the repub were barely indistinguishable, and then imagine that across every district in the nation.  Neither of these parties are interested in “selling” candidates to indies no matter what they say.  Democrats have been the party of corruption since the very beginning with their continued support of slavery.  Republicans have been corrupted by progressivism.  I believe the plan needs to shift to all indies changing their registrations to Republican and then working for the candidates they believe in and voting out all the rinos.   Find constitutional candidates, support them, volunteer for them, donate, knock on doors, and then get them past the primary and general elections.  Once that happens, you ride the crap outta them to make sure they behave or vote them out again.  You can never be asleep or uninvolved again.

I guess I wasn’t clear enough about my meaning when I stated that I thought all indies should register as republicans.  This DOES NOT mean you are espousing the current republican mantra of roll over and play dead; this espouses being part of the BORG Movement that absorbs and cleanses the republican hierarchy of all the RINOs through sheer numbers, and using the RP as a means to defeat the democratic socialists.  The RP has an extensive infrastructure already in place, and a third party just does not have the time necessary to be effective in the 2010 elections.

I guess I wasn’t the only one with the idea, and this gentleman has stated it much more succinctly than I ever could have.

The tea party misconception

By Eric Odom

My most recent post over at has sparked a pretty intense debate over ideas of where the movement should focus its electoral attention in 2010.

I put up a generic poll that now shows overwhelming support for the movement to move in on the GOP as its vessel for 2010 and 2012. There were a lot of logic based arguments against the idea, but some of them are completely off the mark. In fact, some of them expose the misconception that currently plagues the movement as a whole.

Let’s look at an example.

The 2009 TEA Parties began as an appeal to freedom from government control, just like the original Boston Tea Party. Aligning with either just the Republicans or just the Democrats is a mistake. We must make it clear this movement is about letting the people decide, not the politians. I’ve seen too many instances of either party trying to cram a candidate down the throats of the grassroot people, regardless of what’s being requested by the people. California’s upcoming senatorial race is a good example, where the RNC is choosing Carly Fiorina, yet the majority want Chuck DeVore.

The people didn’t join the TEA Parties because they wanted republican or democrat. If they did want that, they’d go to their local RNC or DNC office.

At some point, the tea party movement needs to get over its apparent fear of politics. Or maybe its hatred of politics, which is understandable, but not necessary at this point if we wish to be successful in the electoral fight.

With regards to the comment above, since when has anyone suggested the movement “align” itself with the existing establishment? A common misconception among tea party activists is that the mere suggestion of using the GOP as a vessel to carry our agenda and candidates immediately means we wish to align ourselves with its existing ilk.

The individual who made this comment talks of the party as if it’s a mystical, grand group power house political machines that dictate their will on us regardless of what we want or say. When in reality, the party only does what it does because we allow it to.

We have no one to blame but ourselves.

Love or hate the Ron Paul movement, you have to admit they put up a fantastic example of how possible it is to literally take over a party. Their problem, in my opinion, was marketing and lack of critical mass.

The tea party movement has both. Especially the critical mass.

To my fellow patriots in the movement, I would suggest we stop playing the victim card when it comes to the Republican party. If we’re victims, it’s because we let a noisy minority beat us our of the process.

We need to stop complaining about the party structure as it exist today and move in to take it over. Go to meetings, meet with precinct captains, start organizing groups, start getting angry and start raising hell at the local level.

And as a final note, there is nothing wrong with the suggestion that we move in on the GOP. Let’s not pretend the suggest means something that it doesn’t. (emphasis mine)

We have two options in 2010. One is very risky… the third party route. If we win, we gain much. But if we lose, we lose our country. And in turn, our liberty.

The second is far less risky, but involves the use of the GOP as a vessel for our movement.

The reality is, there are some VERY powerful people controlling our country. They aren’t going down easy, and at this point, I’m guessing they hope we’ll choose the first option.

About eric:
Eric Odom is project manager for A web strategist by trade, Odom is currently working to develop infrastructure for activists within the liberty movement.

In Clark County, Las Vegas, Nevada, for example, two nights ago, the majority of the republican party in Clark County actually resigned because so many tea party activists had moved in and started taking over the party at the local level.

I think the reality is that the republican party needs to understand it can’t win as an entity that supports moderate republicans, and a good question to ask, well a statement, I don’t think anybody can say with a straight face that John McCain would have won last year if he had become a little more moderate.

By Logistics Monster


  • I am with you about the 3rd party, I voted for a 3rd party once and got Clinton, as a Republican I voted against an incumbent.

    The primaries are vital in getting the people we want into play.I understand standing on principal but that is not always going to send the message. The Republicans may make hay out of lot of new voters but they will know what is going on and the better back the people we want. You can change your party how ever often you want, so if you are not happy with outcome send another message next election.

  • Brava, Diamond, and Bravo, Eric O. The idea of a third party is a nice one in theory; however, it has been demonstrated time and again that third parties simply make it easier for basically unpopular candidates to win by little more than simple attrition.

    We do not have the time or the money to make a third party into the viable, powerful machine necessary to defeat an organization so deeply corrupt and entrenched as the DNC. Therefore, we must act accordingly and work to make what we have–e.g., the RNC–represent the views and interests of most Americans. Recent polls have determined that a CLEAR MAJORITY of Americans IN EVERY STATE consider themselves conservative. This includes the states of New York, New Jersey, California and Massachusetts, long thought to be liberal strongholds. Ergo, it would appear that if the MAJORITY of Americans come together with the TeaParty movement and embrace the work necessary to make the RNC our own, e.g., force them to represent the interests of the majority, we just may be able to snatch a victory for our Republic from the jaundiced jaws of defeat with which the current regime has tried to crush us.

  • Gotcha, Diamond. Great idea. This Independent will now become a Republican after saying that I would never belong to a party again. I was sorta sad about not being able to vote in the Primary, but this way I can get all my votes in while helping to take over the Republican Party. Going to a lot of surprised faces around here in 2010 if all these once dems now indys turn republican.

    The usurpers stole our party now we can go out and steal another one for ourselves. Whooeee, this should be an interesting year.

  • Granny Gripes -

    GJ again Tiger

    YES the 912 / Teaparty / Patriots, etc. should move in
    and take over the GOP!

    NOW IS THE TIME FOR ALL GOOD and decent conservative citizens to come to the aid of their country!

    AS ROME is burning: the OLD GOP “insiders” are fiddling
    OFF with their OFFICE LIGHTS. throw the bums out.

    AGAIN: We all need to send TIger 10 bucks to get her “conservative” campaign launched and activated.
    a small sacrifice to save this nation, give up a beer or two.

    think she has a help keep this resource alive button somewhere on her site.

  • Granny Gripes -

    WE ALSO all msut roll up our sleves, hook up 10 folks
    drag them to the Conservative Candidate’s campaign,
    stuff envelopes
    put up and deliver signs
    do research
    find cheap meeting places, cash saving resources, donations
    in kind. they need copy machines, faxes, computers, desks. a coffee pot, CALL AND ASK:::
    lend and or donate. SO MUCH TO DO so little time.
    help keep records
    walk the streets, get out the vote, voter registration.
    start an email chain in your district.
    just do something, 3 hours a week is a big help.

  • Below is a letter sent by Indianapolis anesthesiologist, Dr. Stephen E. Frazer, to Senator Evan Bayh (D-IN):
    Senator Bayh,
    As a practicing physician I have major concerns with the health care bill before Congress. I actually have read the bill and am shocked by the brazenness of the government’s proposed involvement in the patient-physician relationship. The very idea that the government will dictate and ration patient care is DANGEROUS and certainly not helpful in designing a health care system that works for all.

    Every physician I work with agrees that we need to fix our health care system, but the proposed bills currently making their way through congress WILL BE A DISASTER IF PASSED.
    I ask you respectfully and as a patriotic American to look at the following troubling lines that I have read in the bill.
    You cannot possibly believe that these proposals are in the best interests of the country and our fellow citizens… READ THESE CAREFULLY AND JUST IMAGINE WHAT COULD RESULT ………..
    Page 22 of the HC Bill: Mandates that the Govt will audit books of all employers that self-insure!!
    Page 30 Sec 123 of HC bill: THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get.
    Page 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill: YOUR HEALTH CARE IS RATIONED!!!
    Page 42 of HC Bill: The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC benefits for you. You have NO choice!
    Page 50 Section 152 in HC bill: HC will be provided to ALL non-US citizens……….. illegal or otherwise.
    Page 58 HC Bill: Govt will have real-time access to individuals’ finances & a ‘National ID Health card’ WILL be issued!
    Page 59 HC Bill lines 21-24: Govt will have DIRECT ACCESS to your bank accounts for ELECTIVE funds transfer.
    Page 65 Sec 164: Is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in unions & community organizations: (ACORN).
    Page 84 Sec 203 HC bill: Govt mandates ALL benefit packages for private HC plans in the ‘Exchange.’
    Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications of Benefit Levels for Plans–The Govt WILL ration your health care!
    Page 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill: Govt mandates linguistic appropriate services. (Translation: illegal aliens.)
    Page 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18: The Govt will use groups (i.e. ACORN & Americorps) to sign up individuals for Govt HC plan.
    Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications of Benefit Levels for Plans.
    (AARP members – your health care WILL be rationed!)
    Page 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill: Medicaid eligible individuals will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. ( NO choice.)
    Page 12 4 lines 24-25 HC: No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No “judicial review” against Govt monopoly.
    Page 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill: Doctors/American Medical Association – The Govt WILL TELL YOU what salary you can make.
    Page 145 Line 15-17: An Employer MUST auto-enroll employees into public option plan. (NO choice!)
    Page 126 Lines 22-25: Employers MUST pay for HC for part-time employees AND their families. (Employees shouldn’t get excited about this employers will be forced to reduce its work force, benefits, and wages/salaries to cover such a huge expense) UNSUSTAINABLE.
    Page 149 Lines 16-24: ANY Employer with payroll 401k & above who does not provide public option will pay 8% tax on all payroll!
    (See the last comment in parenthesis.)
    Page 150 Lines 9-13:A business with payroll between $251K & $401K who doesn’t provide public option will pay 2-6% tax on all payroll.
    Page 167 Lines 18-23: ANY individual who doesn’t have acceptable HC according to Govt will be taxed 2.5% of income.
    Page 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill: Any NONRESIDENT Alien is EXEMPT from individual taxes.
    (Americans will pay.)
    Page 195 HC Bill: Officers & employees of the GOVT HC Admin.. WILL HAVE ACCESS to ALL Americans’ finances and personal records.
    Page 203 Line 14-15 HC: “The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax.”
    (Yes, it really says that!) Page 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill: Govt will reduce physician services for Medicaid Seniors.
    (Low-income and the poor are affected.)
    Page 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill: Doctors: It doesn’t matter what specialty you have trained yourself in – you will all be paid the same! (Just TRY to tell me that’s not Socialism!)
    Page 253 Line 10-18: The Govt sets the value of a doctor’s time, profession, judgment, etc. (Literally — the value of humans.)
    Page 265 Sec 1131: The Govt mandates and controls productivity for “private” HC industries.
    Page 268 Sec 1141: The federal Govt regulates the rental and purchase of power driven wheelchairs.
    Page 272 SEC. 1145: TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS – Cancer patients – welcome to rationing!
    Page 280 Sec 1151: The Govt will penalize hospitals for whatever the Govt deems preventable (i.e… re-admissions).
    Page 298 Lines 9-11: Doctors: If you treat a patient during initial admission that results in a re-admission — the Govt will penalize you.
    Page 317 L 13-20: PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. (The Govt tells doctors what and how much they can own!)
    Page 317-318 lines 21-25, 1-3: PROHIBITION on expansion. (The Govt is mandating that hospitals cannot expand.)
    Page 321 2-13: Hospitals have the opportunity to apply for exception BUT community input is required. (Can you say ACORN?)
    Page 335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339: The Govt mandates establishment of 2 outcome-based measures… (HC the way they want — rationing.)
    Page 341 Lines 3-9: The Govt has authority to disqualify Medicare Advance Plans, HMOs, etc. (Forcing people into the Govt plan)
    Page 354 Sec 1177: The Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of ’special needs people!’ Unbelievable!
    Page 379 Sec 1191: The Govt creates more bureaucracy via a “Tele-Health Advisory Committee.” (Can you say HC by phone?)
    Page 425 Lines 4-12: The Govt mandates “Advance-Care Planning Consult.” (Think senior citizens end-of-life patients.)
    Page 425 Lines 17-19: The Govt will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. (And it’s mandatory!)
    Page 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3: The Govt provides an “approved” list of end-of-life resources; guiding you in death. (Also called ‘assisted suicide.’)
    Page 427 Lines 15-24: The Govt mandates a program for orders on “end-of-life.” (The Govt has a say in how your life ends!)
    Page 429 Lines 1-9: An “advanced-care planning consultant” will be used frequently as a patient’s health deteriorates.
    Page 429 Lines 10-12: An “advanced care consultation” may include an ORDER for end-of-life plans.. (AN ORDER TO DIE FROM THE GOVERNMENT?!?)
    Page 429 Lines 13-25: The GOVT will specify which doctors can write an end-of-life order. (I wouldn’t want to stand before God after getting paid for THAT job!)
    Page 430 Lines 11-15: The Govt will decide what level of treatment you will have at end-of-life! (Again — no choice!)
    Page 469: Community-Based Home Medical Services = Non-Profit Organizations. (Hello? ACORN Medical Services here!?!)
    Page 489 Sec 1308: The Govt will cover marriage and family therapy.
    (Which means Govt will insert itself into your marriage even.)
    Page 494-498: Govt will cover Mental Health Services including defining, creating, and rationing those services.
    Senator, I guarantee that I personally will do everything possible to inform patients and my fellow physicians about the dangers of the proposed bills you and your colleagues are debating.
    Furthermore, if you vote for a bill that enforces socialized medicine on the country and destroys the doctor-patient relationship, I will do everything in my power to make sure you lose your job in the next election.

    Stephen E. Fraser, MD
    Dear Reader, I urge you to use the power that you were born with (and the power that may soon be taken away) and circulate this letter to as many people as you can reach. The “Power of the People” can stop this from happening to us, our parents, our grandparents, our children, and to following generations.

  • I want to add one more thing and I hope people read all the way down to the end of the comments. Becoming a republican does not mean sending your money to the RNC. Instead send it straight to the candidates you support and nothing for the national committee that is in league with the DNC.

  • Exactly right Diamond, the hierarchy of the RNC is continuing to display the elitist mentality. NO MONEY DIRECTLY TO THE RNC, SUPPORT YOUR INDEPENDENT CONSERVATIVE CANDIDATE!! When the RNC was questioned during a meeting about the unconstitutionality of the health care mandate, the response was it doesn’t become unconstitutional until it’s in effect and has cause. For me, my ears heard another …”alleged terrorist statement”. Granted, we all understand the how the legalities will play out, however…I would have liked to hear a response of support rather than defense? The RNC still have their eyes and ears on numbers and demographics only. From what I heard it’s all about what’s politically expedient and politically correct. All they want is a lot of money to do whatever they want to do, they are STILL not listening to us. This will require each of us to do our part in getting our candidate into the primaries. The RNC is tossing their hands in the air telling us, we select the candidates…… let’s do it, and stop them from supporting their leftist liberals in republicans clothing. We got a major shove down here in Florida for Rubio. No one living here who can read, can’t understand Crist is and has supported the other camp. It’s just business as usual for them. We cannot count on the RNC to wake up and stop pushing their RHINO candidates on us.

    However, political suicide to make a point is still suicide. Let’s continue to bring back the Republican party through persuasion exhorting it to go back to the conservative principles. We must become such a powerful force that the GOP leadership cannot ignore us as they have done in the past. Reach-across-the-aisle moderate candidates are what got the country in the mess it’s in today. What’s needed is a message of calm strength and common sense solutions to issues that benefit all Americans, not just special interest groups. We need to make sure they got the message and realized their mistake in the NY 23 race backing a liberal candidate. Hopefully, they’ll follow if we show them the way.

    Send your money, energy and time to individuals who will support our constitution and love this republic. A lot of new faces will be on the 2010 political scene trying to be elected as reformers. They need to be carefully vetted. The Tea party needs to be a movement within the Republican party. We have to make the Republican party what it used to be and then make them stay out. If we split then we hand a victory over to the progressives for Obama.
    Everyone has a role in this no matter how big or how small. Each one of us have God given talents that are greatly needed if we have any hope in swinging this around. Please get involved, we are in for one heck of a fight in 2010!

  • This is interesting. Congressman Boehner tried to take over the Tea Party event in Bakersfield. He would NOT take no for an answer. They finally had to tell him, “we paid for the permits and you are NOT invited to speak at our event.” The GOP tried to infiltrate the Tea Party movement and claim those constituents as their own.

    That is why the TP movement does not want to bend. They do not want to be anyone’s pawn or give the impression they are not bi-partisan.

    I’m unaffiliated. I do believe that the conservatives should infiltrate the GOP as the radicals have done to the Democrat party. My father, a life-long Dem would not recognize the party. I do think that the Paul example is a very good one. Why build a whole new structure. I can stay “unaffiliated” and vote in the primaries. If my state doesn’t allow it, I change to the party with my candidate of choice, vote and change back. The NRSC is a real problem of the “good old boys club” DeMint is right to stay and make a change in the GOP. Right now neither party has anything to offer except a few individuals with convictions and principles such as Chuck DeVore, Jim DeMint, and Jason Chaffetz. All endorsed by the Independence Caucus that holds your same view.

  • What you all are talking about is the Precinct Strategy.
    go to Watch the video, “strangest political secret” . If that appeals to you as a compliment to the TeaParty movement, then keep digging here:

    Listen: 2010 is going to be an exciting year. Do any of you know what’s brewing over at Justice right about now? Heads are going to roll because Like I told you before…this whole NWO scheme is unraveling as we speak, and like the proverbial can of worms, once opened they will not be able to put the lid back on. You saw what happened at Nopenhagen…an utter, contemptable embarrassment that exposed these “ass-hats” for what they really are! But do you know what? That was just what we see on the surface. Behind the scenes, it’s completely chaotic, spiralling out of control.
    If we aren’t ready to take back our country or, are not making quick strides in making that happen, the result will be pretty devastating, in short, if you want to call yourself an American now, you’d better be ready to step up to the plate because you’re not on deck, you’re next up! We can no longer remain uninformed about how our government is supposed to run. We no longer have the luxury of complaining and writing letters. We must now roll up our sleeves and get to work. There will not be law-abiding, constitutionally minded candidates for us to vote for as we “Vote The Bums Out!” unless we do like stated so well above, and take over the party so that such candidates will be on the ballots. It all starts at the grassroots level, the precincts in all the counties all over these united states. Find out about it…get in the battle.

  • My thoughts exactly. Whatever we in the TP decide to do in the long run we have one chance to save this Republic in November and the sure path must be taken as it does not prevent us from taking the other in 2012 should it be required.

    Time is our enemy we cannot allow this government two more years of complete one party control.

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