Too Dangerously Stupid To Serve, Or Just Plain LYING?

Ah, the audacity of the spin that occurs on Sunday news shows that spotlight politicians and their bills.

I am absolutely convinced that either the Senate has a completely different version of the health care bill from the one they posted last week, or they are too dangerously stupid to serve because they do not have all the facts, or they ARE LYING.  Which one is it?

The following video has more than one instance where I am scratching my head trying to decide which of the three options really should apply.  What follows is a couple of examples of the “stupid or lying” question.  I guess one would have to look at the IQ of the person making the statements, now wouldn’t one?

Fox News Sunday – This bill Is A Fraud On The American People

Senator Debbie Stabenow boldly made this statement on Fox New Sunday today:

…what we’re doing is for the the first time making sure women have maternity care and actually have mammograms covered.”

That sounds great but what about this from a 11.20.09; the day BEFORE Stabenow voted for this bill and two days before she unzipped her head, took out her brain, and stuck it in the glovebox of her car before entering the studio:

The Fate of Lady Parts in the Senate Bill

Reid’s merged Senate bill left out part of an amendment that Barbara Mikulski had successfully introduced into the Senate HELP legislation, which requires insurance companies to include women’s preventative services as part of all minimum benefit packages, for little or no cost. Mikulski argued that women of child-bearing age end up paying an average of 68 percent more in out-of-pocket costs, partly due to reproductive health needs, and often ended up delaying or forgoing care (like mammograms) because of the expense. The provision—which was in neither the House nor Finance Committee legislation—was slated to be in Reid’s bill this week, but “CBO decided at the last minute there was a problem and it was removed until that is resolved,” Mikulski spokesperson Rachel MacKnight said in an email today.

The problem, according to sources familiar with the issue, was that the Mikulski’s amendment wasn’t specific enough in terms of how it would determine which services would be covered, simply saying that it would be it up to the discretion of HHS to set the guidelines for coverage. As such, the provision was so broad that CBO ended up having to give it a very high—i.e. expensive—score, and Reid ended up leaving the language out of the bill.

According to MacKnight, Reid and Mikulski “are working on a solution to include her amendment” and strengthen provisions for women’s preventative services in the final bill. But given the tempest surrounding the new mammography recommendations—along with today’s news about Pap smears—this might not be an easy task. In all of the bills, HHS uses the U.S. Preventative Services Task Force serve as a basic guide to determine what should be covered at little or no cost as part of a minimum benefits package.

So which policy position is it?  Women receive basic health care OR NOT?  Dangerously stupid or just lying?

Who’s Next? Arlen Specter.  Where do I start because not only is he telling bald faced lies, his last statement makes no sense.  Term limits anyone?

Listen Chris, the real issue here is whether we are going to have governance?

We have the opposition refusing to admit that there’s any problem with health care.

…refusing to admit there’s any problem with global warming.

…refusing to take a stand on the economic crisis.

So the question really here is, let’s take up the amendments one at a time.  If the amendments offered by anyone are good, but, the one option which is not present, in my judgement, is the option of doing nothing.

What does Arlen mean by “are we going to have governance”?  I have no clue exactly what he is trying to say, considering once again, the definition of governance is probably two different things.  This congress stopped attempting to pretend to listen to us when Barack, The Magic Shapeshifter was installed in the White House.

As for Arlen’s comments about his republican colleagues not admiting or taking a stand on issues, here are some examples of republicans refuting his statements from earlier in the year and last year.
Dr. Price on the Republican Plan, 8.11.09: (starting at 2:20)

Thaddeus McCotter (R-MI) on the economy, global warning, debt and the deficit, 7.24.09.  Please watch the whole video because this guy is sharp and articulate:

The Real Message About Democrat Healthcare Plan From Ron Paul:

Thaddeus McCotter (R-MI) on the vote for or against T.A.R.P.” 9.30.2008

My #1 problem with the democratic health care bill  is that it starts taxing us immediately for services not to be provided until 2014!  At least with a burial plot, you KNOW it’s going to be there when you need it.

How STUPID are we if we allow these congressman and senators to continue to chow down on the whole hog when there may not be a viable American economy left in 2014.  How stupid are we to continue to pay our taxes when they vote FOR Trillion dollar bills that we have specifically targeted, and melted their phones, fax, and email lines of communication over, and  then do whatever they think is best according to their party’s idealogy? What happens when the asset bubble bursts, the economy crashes, and there is no more tax revenue for them to abscond?

I know….I’m beating a dead horse here; just wanted to figure out where the spin ends and lies start.

By Logistics Monster


  • California Patriot -

    Time to think about how we go about rounding them up and trying them for treason. They’re going to fight it tooth and nail. 🙂

  • Look, like Beck said; this isn’t about healthcare, it’s about generating revenue. They’ve sucked us dry with TARP, Crapulus, and all the rest. This is just another way to suck our collective teat. Why waste time with a trial? Just have E.T. phone home so they can all return to Planet Asshat where they belong, and leave earth to the humans.

  • “Dangerously Stupid or Just Plain Lying”, yes and yes.

    These traitors are not use to sunshine, they have always in the past be able to use the double speak and the public could not really see the deception. It did not sound right but very hard to prove.

    Now with some many reading the bills and questioning what does this mean, they do not know how to respond. They truly are caught in their own web of lies but continue to go forward with business as usual.

    They keep ignoring us because they can not do anything else, it is like the truth does not compute with these fools. This is just the group that is being held accountable it has been this way for so long no one in DC remembers any different, so they do not know how to respond.

  • no-nonsence-nancy -

    I say, McCotter for president. I’ll campaign for him! I thought it was a shame, that great speech on cap and trade and it looked like only a handful of congress critters there to hear him. Where are our elected officials and what do they do with their time?

    I think all that cancer treatment has shrunk Spector’s head. He seems to think his head is worth more than our lady parts. It’s past time to retire him. I say term limits have to come soon.

    How can women like Stabenow sell fellow women out like that? My daughter-in-law got breast cancer at age 29, fought it and two other cancers for 5 and 1/2 years and still died before age 36. Of course she had never had a mammogram before the breast cancer because of her age. These kinds of people I call pigs. I usually reserve that name for men but lately I’ve been using it more and more for women.

  • letty aka granny gripes -

    LYING about their calculated lies.

    Does Landrieu not verify that they are all whor^s sitting around the money pot.

    They play their game to the media and in the dark of the night they do what is going to get them the biggest bucks for banging the middle class, driving them further into poverty and hopelessness.

    WE MUST rage every day about their cruel hoax on the middle class.

    Flyers everywhere once a week for only 49 weeks!

    Tell them where to go, what to read, whom to listen to to get educated, and to pass the flyers on!

    Make sure to tell them to show up at the Precinct Caucus!

  • letty aka granny gripes -

    A thought, GITMO is going to be available, it could hold every Seantor and congressman who voted for these disasters!

  • good idea Letty – but then again we would have to pay money we don’t have to take care of them – THEN AGAIN – it would keep them for voting us into financial oblivion. What to do, what to do…

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