Live Streaming House Healthcare Debate 11.07.09 (Updating All Day Long….)

Capitol BuildingFor those of you that want to watch the rodeo happening right now in OUR House of Representatives, go here to watch on C-SPAN. If you need to catch up on what has happened already today, Michelle Malkin is tracking this debate.

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(The Spousal Unit is Double-Daring the Dems to pass this bill.)

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UPDATE: 6:16 ET – Nancy Pelosi is coming to the House Floor to speak.  Even though the coverage of this is making me completely ill, I probably will have to continue to watch the largest trainwreck in our history, and watch Pelosi come out and be her usual lobomotized self.  What’s her disapproval rating today?

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UPDATE:  Nancy Pelosi using the words “entitlement reform” in the same sentence as this health care bill?  ARE YOU FREAKIN’ KIDDING ME?

Let me repost the simple common sense economic facts of a democratic health care bill from David Buckner.

The Economics Of Dem Healthcare Reform For Dummies

With everything that is currently being tossed at us since way before the 2008 election, quite a few things get missed just because we don’t have the time to read everything, all the time.

I ran across an article today from economist David Buckner which I think explains the dems’ plan pretty simply in economic terms. Here are a few tidbits; make sure to go over and read the whole article.

The Snake Oil Sales Pitch: A Question of Healthcare Economics

Unfortunately, facts tend to be the first casualty of political banter. As one commentator noted this morning, if you tell a lie enough times, people will begin to believe it. So, lets return to the facts and basic economics 101 (a class all law makers should be required to take prior to starting their first term and every two years thereafter).

Fact #1:

If you increase the demand for a product without increasing the supply, there will be a shortage. Let me say that a different way: if you increase the number of people buying a product without increasing the number of products (suppliers) there will be a shortage. There is no way around this.

Application:

If you insure 15 million more people without adding any doctors, there will be a shortage. Say what you will, promise what you may, all the kings horses and all the kings men will never be able to put 15 million more humpty dumptys together again, UNLESS you increase the number of doctors!! Nothing in the current legislation offers such an incentive or allowance–if anything, quite the opposite. Time and again the question has been asked and each time the response is “everyone will be covered,” as if that answers the question.

Bottom line:

Shortages WILL occur until there are more doctors, more nurses, more hospitals, more clinics. Promises of “universal coverage” cannot overcome the reality of “universal shortages”. One might accurately argue we will have equal opportunity shortages. That statement would be true. Nevertheless, there will be shortages and the sellers KNOW IT!

Fact #2:

Shortages cause prices to increase and providers to ration their services. Again, this is an Economics 101 principle overlooked (or neglected) by the salesman. If you create a shortage for any product, prices will increase or the shortage will REQUIRE doctors to ration their time and their resources.

Application:

Doctors will charge more for less. With more demand than they can manage, they will have to determine where they spend their time and how they allocate their resources. If they are paid the same for an easy case as they are for a difficult one, you do the math. Daily triage will be compounded by the mere volume of patients now in their waiting room. They can choose to serve 15 patients who need a simple check-up, or use that time to manage the chronic care of a single aging cancer patient. Triage favors the healthy.

Bottom Line:

Rationing will occur. To be clear, rationing will always occur to some degree. At present it occurs based on who can pay and who is covered, which is the “market force” approach to rationing. You want it, you can get it if you pay for it. If you can’t pay for it, the government will. However, a universal government run system would create a false market and remove the patient from the decision as it has with Medicare and Medicaid. If you want it, you MIGHT be able to get it. You the patient will no longer control that process and doctors will no longer respond to real demand. Doctors will get paid whether they serve the patient or not. In fact, to reduce costs as promised, the government will have to limit what doctors can do. The incentive to listen to the patient is removed as the government is the customer, not the patient.

Fact #3:

If you lower prices, demand for a product goes up. Again, said another way, if you offer insurance at a lower price (the government option), people will buy that insurance.

Application:

This may sound good initially. But beware! One must consider the fallout and false perception created from such a move. Promises that a government run option WILL NOT put insurers out of business are false. Technically, the government will not physically go in and shut down the insurers. However, they might just as well do that, as the results will be the same. If you offer a government plan at a lower price, with the same coverage as a private plan, everyone will buy it. They are not required by law to buy that plan but if the price is lower for the same products, why wouldn’t they? To say this is an OPTION would suggest that other alternatives will continue to exist. They can’t! They can’t compete when the pricing of the government plan is a false price. The very thrust of the government promise is to lower prices without offering less. This is snake oil in its purest form! Unless the government addresses COSTS rather than PRICES only, this option is a fraud. It is healthcare “dumping,” the very practice the U.S. has blamed China and other countries of doing to capture markets and create an anti-competitive environment.

Bottom Line:

A government option is essentially healthcare “dumping” which will result in a removal of healthcare insurers, leaving a monopoly subsidized by tax payers. False prices without addressing real costs leaves a gap that can only be filled by taking more from the taxpayer. Promises of cost reductions and fraud elimination under a government plan beg the question, WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR? Why should we believe the government, acting as a monopoly, would now be motivated to find and eliminate fraud more than ever before? What changed? Why now? Why haven’t you done it already? Once the monopoly owns the market, prices can skyrocket as there is no competition to place a check and balance on the government. If history serves us well, this would mean U.S. Postal Service style healthcare. No service, not incentive, no market efficiencies.

Of course, there is more to consider before buying:

– The government has never run an efficient system (of any kind).

– There are no successful examples of efficient government run healthcare (anywhere).

– There is no incentive to innovate if prices are fixed.

– Costs are never avoided. They are just passed along to taxpayers.

– A call for change doesn’t mean a mandate to “JUST DO SOMETHING

Any questions?

Rep. Mike Pence:

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Via Michelle Malkin:

Via reader Kathy, here’s a handy phone/fax list for Blue Dog Dems:

Altmire, Jason (PA-04) Phone: (202) 225-2565 Fax: (202) 226-2274
Arcuri, Mike (NY-24) Phone: (202) 225-3665 Fax: (202) 225-1891
Baca, Joe (CA-43) Phone: (202) 225-6161 Fax: (202) 225-8671
Barrow, John (GA-12) Phone: (202) 225-2823 Fax: (202) 225-3377
Berry, Marion (AR-01) Phone: (202) 225-4076 Fax: (202) 225-5602
Bishop, Sanford (GA-02) Phone: (202) 225-3631 Fax: (202) 225-2203
Boren, Dan (OK-02) Phone: (202) 225-2701 Fax: (202) 225-3038
Boswell, Leonard (IA-03) Phone: (202) 225-3806 Fax: (202) 225-5608
Boyd, Allen (FL-02) Phone: (202) 225-5235 Fax: (202) 225-5615
Bright, Bobby (AL-02) Phone: (202) 225-2901 Fax: (202) 225-8913
Cardoza, Dennis (CA-18) Phone: (202) 225-6131 Fax: (202) 225-0819
Carney, Christopher (PA-10) Phone: (202) 225-3731 Fax: (202) 225-9594
Chandler, Ben (KY-06) Phone: (202) 225-4706 Fax: (202) 225-2122
Childers, Travis (MS-01) Phone: (202) 225-4306 Fax: (202) 225-3549
Cooper, Jim (TN-05) Phone: (202) 225-4311 Fax: (202) 226-1035
Costa, Jim (CA-20) Phone: (202) 225-3341 Fax: (202) 225-9308
Cuellar, Henry (TX-28) Phone: (202) 225-1640 Fax: (202) 225-1641
Dahlkemper, Kathy (PA-03) Phone: (202) 225-5406 Fax: (202) 225-3103
Davis, Lincoln (TN-04) Phone: (202) 225-6831 Fax: (202) 226-5172
Donnelly, Joe (IN-02) Phone: (202) 225-3915 Fax: (202) 225-6798
Ellsworth, Brad (IN-08) Phone: (202) 225-4636 Fax: (202) 225-3284
Giffords, Gabrielle (AZ-08) Phone: (202) 225-2542 Fax: (202) 225-0378
Gordon, Bart (TN-06) Phone: (202) 225-4231 Fax: (202) 225-6887
Griffith, Parker (AL-05) Phone: (202) 225-4801 Fax: (202) 225-4392
Harman, Jane (CA-36) Phone: (202) 225-8220 Fax: (202) 226-7290
Herseth Sandlin, Stephanie (SD) Phone: (202) 225-2801 Fax: (202) 225-5823
Hill, Baron (IN-09) Phone: (202) 225-5315 Fax: (202) 226-6866
Holden, Tim (PA-17) Phone: (202) 225-5546 Fax: (202) 226-0996
Kratovil, Jr., Frank (MD-01) Phone: (202) 225-5311 Fax: (202) 225-0254
McIntyre, Mike (NC-07) Phone: (202) 225-2731 Fax: (202) 225-5773
Marshall, Jim (GA-08) Phone: (202) 225-6531 Fax: (202) 225-3013
Matheson, Jim (UT-02) Phone: (202) 225-3011 Fax: (202) 225-5638
Melancon, Charlie (LA-03) Phone: (202) 225-4031 Fax: (202) 226-3944
Michaud, Mike (ME-02) Phone: (202) 225-6306 Fax: (202) 225-2943
Minnick, Walt (ID-01) Phone: (202) 225-6611 Fax: (202) 225-3029
Mitchell, Harry (AZ-05) Phone: (202) 225-2190 Fax: (202) 225-3263
Moore, Dennis (KS-03) Phone: (202) 225-2865 Fax: (202) 225-2807
Murphy, Patrick (PA-08) Phone: (202) 225-4276 Fax: (202) 225-9511
Nye, Glenn (VA-02) Phone: (202) 225-4215 Fax: (202) 225-4218
Peterson, Collin (MN-07) Phone: (202) 225-2165 Fax: (202) 225-1593
Pomeroy, Earl (ND) Phone: (202) 225-2611 Fax: (202) 226-0893
Ross, Mike (AR-04) Phone: (202) 225-3772 Fax: (202) 225-1314
Salazar, John (CO-03) Phone: (202) 225-4761 Fax: (202) 226-9669
Sanchez, Loretta (CA-47) Phone: (202) 225-2965 Fax: (202) 225-5859
Schiff, Adam (CA-29) Phone: (202) 225-4176 Fax: (202) 225-5828
Scott, David (GA-13) Phone: (202) 225-2939 Fax: (202) 225-4628
Shuler, Heath (NC-11) Phone: (202) 225-6401 Fax: (202) 226-6422
Space, Zack (OH-18) Phone: (202) 225-6265 Fax: (202) 225-3394
Tanner, John (TN-08) Phone: (202) 225-4714 Fax: (202) 225-1765
Taylor, Gene (MS-04) Phone: (202) 225-5772 Fax: (202) 225-7074
Thompson, Mike (CA-01) Phone: (202) 225-3311 Fax: (202) 225-4335
Wilson, Charles (OH-06) Phone: (202) 225-5705

The Pelosi Plans:

Interesting Tidbit:
Most Interesting Google Search Phrase I have seen yet – Many thanks to LaPorte, Indiana for this one:

what percentage vote is required to remove a president from office in an impeachment case.

6 thoughts on “Live Streaming House Healthcare Debate 11.07.09 (Updating All Day Long….)”

  1. I’m listening to the debate on CSpan. So far not one Dem has spoken against the bill, at least since I started listening. Maybe they are just not allowing the blue dogs to speak. How democratic! I was listening to Pelosi but had to turn the TV off for a while when she started talking about Kennedy. She had one minute to speak but she took much longer and they allowed her where they cut others off.

  2. TO THE STREETS

    BUILD your resistance group, educate those too busy to pay attention

    Bring your candidate around and flood the neighborhood with campaign information

    IMPEACH OBAMA, jail to the traitor

    Prosecute Pelosi, Jail to that traitor too

    TO THE STREETS everyone! they all need a VA election moment in 2010, just 12 short months away!

    JUST 12 MONTHS ! folks!

    Get your candidates out there and build the campaign now with our resistance groups

    PASS IT ON AND ON AND ON

  3. starting tomorrow

    it is 1 hour every day to the streets!

    just a short 12 months to throw the rotten criminals out
    and start impeachment proceedings!

    one hour every day on the STREETS!

    pass it on and on and grow your resistance network.

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