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	<title>Comments on: Get Ready For Senate Healthcare 2.0 Coming Next Week (UPDATED: Congress Works Late)</title>
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		<title>By: NoTingles</title>
		<link>http://logisticsmonster.com/2009/11/11/get-ready-for-senate-healthcare-2-0-coming-next-week/comment-page-1/#comment-34535</link>
		<dc:creator>NoTingles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 04:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DT, I think you bring up a very good point when you asked, &quot;Is there a real danger that if the socialists do not get this done this year it will not happen, or are they just trying to keep everybody amped up to such a level of hypervigilence that those that are fighting against total government takeover of our lives, at some point, physically, mentally, and emotionally just crash affording Obama’s crew free rein to pass whatever they want unchallenged?&quot;

Well, we&#039;ve already seen that the voices of MILLIONS of Americans raised loudly against what this administration has been doing is not having the effect of stopping it, or even slowing it down.  They are going to pass their socialism, and ram it down our throats whether we like it or not.  The finageling with the so-called &quot;Abortion mandate&quot; is truly sickening.  While the provision is in there right now, that prohibits abortion funding, the pro-aborts are going to have their way anyhow because it will be put back the way they want it before the whole thing is a done-deal.  
	Matthew Staver, chairman of Liberty Counsel writes, &quot;More than 40 pro-abortion Democrats wrote a letter to Pelosi demanding that the abortion mandate be included in the final bill.  I believe this is all part of the Obama-Reid-Pelosi plan -- keep the bill moving forward and then push the REAL ObamaCare bill at the 11th hour...&quot;  Liberty Counsel has launched yet another petition to stop the &quot;Abortion Mandate&quot; and sadly for our First amendment right to redress, it will not have any effect.  They aren&#039;t listening, and I&#039;ve said this before, they aren&#039;t listening because once they are elected, and go to Washington, they no longer work for us.  The reality is they work for the corporation that is the federal government, and they are not required to listen to us.  They have the election process in the bag because we allowed them to engage in vote tampering and election fraud, so they aren&#039;t worried that we will be able to &quot;vote the bums out&quot;.  I hate writing that last part.  But I have to face the music of the reality that we face.  
	Here I want to stress that there still are things we should be doing, if taking back our country is what&#039;s important to us.  First, the Continental Congress 2009 is going on now until the 22nd.  How many are supporting it?  Second, how many are involved in the process at the precinct level?  If you aren&#039;t, you should gear up and get started because only when the precincts are run by constitutional conservatives (notice I didn&#039;t mention party) will we get decent candidates to vote for, term limits, and election reforms.  In short, precinct chairmen hold the most powerful office, not the POTUS.  Third, there comes a time that we have to realize that if they want to pass all this CRAP, they will have to find a way to fund it, and what happens if we refuse to pay for it?  The time is now, that we realize they want us to foot the bill for what is unconstitutional, and morally reprehensible.  If we wave our signs, and sign our petitions, and melt down their switchboard, but still send them a check on April 15, what good have we really done?  The law of this land gives us the power to do this, and a million pages of tax code has no bearing whatsoever!  I am calling on all Americans to resist and say, &quot;I refuse to pay one more penny for something I don&#039;t want, especially when it can only lead to the final enslavement of us all!&quot;  I am also calling for the State legislatures to man-up and assert sovereignty.  No way does the federal government have the right to do what they are doing, and the only way they will get away with it is if the States weeney out and cede state&#039;s rights over to the Federal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DT, I think you bring up a very good point when you asked, &#8220;Is there a real danger that if the socialists do not get this done this year it will not happen, or are they just trying to keep everybody amped up to such a level of hypervigilence that those that are fighting against total government takeover of our lives, at some point, physically, mentally, and emotionally just crash affording Obama’s crew free rein to pass whatever they want unchallenged?&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, we&#8217;ve already seen that the voices of MILLIONS of Americans raised loudly against what this administration has been doing is not having the effect of stopping it, or even slowing it down.  They are going to pass their socialism, and ram it down our throats whether we like it or not.  The finageling with the so-called &#8220;Abortion mandate&#8221; is truly sickening.  While the provision is in there right now, that prohibits abortion funding, the pro-aborts are going to have their way anyhow because it will be put back the way they want it before the whole thing is a done-deal.<br />
	Matthew Staver, chairman of Liberty Counsel writes, &#8220;More than 40 pro-abortion Democrats wrote a letter to Pelosi demanding that the abortion mandate be included in the final bill.  I believe this is all part of the Obama-Reid-Pelosi plan &#8212; keep the bill moving forward and then push the REAL ObamaCare bill at the 11th hour&#8230;&#8221;  Liberty Counsel has launched yet another petition to stop the &#8220;Abortion Mandate&#8221; and sadly for our First amendment right to redress, it will not have any effect.  They aren&#8217;t listening, and I&#8217;ve said this before, they aren&#8217;t listening because once they are elected, and go to Washington, they no longer work for us.  The reality is they work for the corporation that is the federal government, and they are not required to listen to us.  They have the election process in the bag because we allowed them to engage in vote tampering and election fraud, so they aren&#8217;t worried that we will be able to &#8220;vote the bums out&#8221;.  I hate writing that last part.  But I have to face the music of the reality that we face.<br />
	Here I want to stress that there still are things we should be doing, if taking back our country is what&#8217;s important to us.  First, the Continental Congress 2009 is going on now until the 22nd.  How many are supporting it?  Second, how many are involved in the process at the precinct level?  If you aren&#8217;t, you should gear up and get started because only when the precincts are run by constitutional conservatives (notice I didn&#8217;t mention party) will we get decent candidates to vote for, term limits, and election reforms.  In short, precinct chairmen hold the most powerful office, not the POTUS.  Third, there comes a time that we have to realize that if they want to pass all this CRAP, they will have to find a way to fund it, and what happens if we refuse to pay for it?  The time is now, that we realize they want us to foot the bill for what is unconstitutional, and morally reprehensible.  If we wave our signs, and sign our petitions, and melt down their switchboard, but still send them a check on April 15, what good have we really done?  The law of this land gives us the power to do this, and a million pages of tax code has no bearing whatsoever!  I am calling on all Americans to resist and say, &#8220;I refuse to pay one more penny for something I don&#8217;t want, especially when it can only lead to the final enslavement of us all!&#8221;  I am also calling for the State legislatures to man-up and assert sovereignty.  No way does the federal government have the right to do what they are doing, and the only way they will get away with it is if the States weeney out and cede state&#8217;s rights over to the Federal.</p>
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		<title>By: lee M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>lee M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>o California Patriot -- What do they know that we don&#039;t?  They (some of them) know the names behind this gigantic takeover bid of this country.  I&#039;m convinced tht there is a very powerful entity out there that is fueling this whole movement, and when you start investigating it is scary as heck. 

Just stop to analyze all that has happened since, and during, the primary election.  Do you think for one minute that a knucklehead like Obama, or the nincompoops in the congress have enough wealth or brains to manage this entire rape of the american electorate? No way.  It takes a very powerful force to do what has been done here. 

The congress voted as they were told to do by someone or some group that has enough wealth and power to either frighten or pay off these imbeciles.  Every time I think I have the culprit or culprits pinned down another spider enters the web and I am not so sure.  One thing that I believe in my soul is that this movement is not just controlled in America but has powerful outside influence from foreign countries.

This climate control push is just a small drop in the bucket, but if they are able to push that through your tax dollars will be supporting third world countries in order to bring their standard of living on a par with the US.  Although by that time our standard of living will be far below what it is now.

One world with the same standard of living throughout, except for the PTB that controls the strings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>o California Patriot &#8212; What do they know that we don&#8217;t?  They (some of them) know the names behind this gigantic takeover bid of this country.  I&#8217;m convinced tht there is a very powerful entity out there that is fueling this whole movement, and when you start investigating it is scary as heck. </p>
<p>Just stop to analyze all that has happened since, and during, the primary election.  Do you think for one minute that a knucklehead like Obama, or the nincompoops in the congress have enough wealth or brains to manage this entire rape of the american electorate? No way.  It takes a very powerful force to do what has been done here. </p>
<p>The congress voted as they were told to do by someone or some group that has enough wealth and power to either frighten or pay off these imbeciles.  Every time I think I have the culprit or culprits pinned down another spider enters the web and I am not so sure.  One thing that I believe in my soul is that this movement is not just controlled in America but has powerful outside influence from foreign countries.</p>
<p>This climate control push is just a small drop in the bucket, but if they are able to push that through your tax dollars will be supporting third world countries in order to bring their standard of living on a par with the US.  Although by that time our standard of living will be far below what it is now.</p>
<p>One world with the same standard of living throughout, except for the PTB that controls the strings.</p>
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		<title>By: Hal (GT)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hal (GT)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah. I feel the same way you do and the greyhound never beats the sock. It&#039;s increasingly frustrating that they don&#039;t care one whit about what the people have to say and are instead locked in on forcing this anti-Constitution legislation. I&#039;m watching again this morning, the real time widget - http://www.learcapital.com/exactprice - and gold reached this morning $1,118.80.

All that is to me is evidence to the market reacting to the horrible fiscal and monetary policy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah. I feel the same way you do and the greyhound never beats the sock. It&#8217;s increasingly frustrating that they don&#8217;t care one whit about what the people have to say and are instead locked in on forcing this anti-Constitution legislation. I&#8217;m watching again this morning, the real time widget &#8211; <a  href="http://www.learcapital.com/exactprice" rel="nofollow">http://www.learcapital.com/exactprice</a> &#8211; and gold reached this morning $1,118.80.</p>
<p>All that is to me is evidence to the market reacting to the horrible fiscal and monetary policy.</p>
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		<title>By: Dug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CP... they know if they get health care passed, it will be virtually impossible to repeal. Michelle Bachmann correctly termed this the &quot;Crown Jewel of Socialism.&quot; Obama and Dem leadership are willing to sacrifice their majorities and a couple of elections in order to get this passed. 

Why? Because they are building dependency on big government and the Democrat party (and increasingly the Republican party) are all about big government. So, the Dems are building their future. The Republicans are foolishly trying to be Democrat-lite... under the guise that they need to appeal to all these different groups... but, in the end, appeals to no one. The vast majority of the country is right-of-center politically. However, if the Dems can build up everyone&#039;s dependency on big government, they have basically secured their future for generations. That is the strategy.

Meanwhile, America is being held hostage (real unemployment at probably 20+ percent), while Obama and Congress try to pass health care and crap-n-tax bills... neither of which do the majority of Americans want, nor does the country need.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CP&#8230; they know if they get health care passed, it will be virtually impossible to repeal. Michelle Bachmann correctly termed this the &#8220;Crown Jewel of Socialism.&#8221; Obama and Dem leadership are willing to sacrifice their majorities and a couple of elections in order to get this passed. </p>
<p>Why? Because they are building dependency on big government and the Democrat party (and increasingly the Republican party) are all about big government. So, the Dems are building their future. The Republicans are foolishly trying to be Democrat-lite&#8230; under the guise that they need to appeal to all these different groups&#8230; but, in the end, appeals to no one. The vast majority of the country is right-of-center politically. However, if the Dems can build up everyone&#8217;s dependency on big government, they have basically secured their future for generations. That is the strategy.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, America is being held hostage (real unemployment at probably 20+ percent), while Obama and Congress try to pass health care and crap-n-tax bills&#8230; neither of which do the majority of Americans want, nor does the country need.</p>
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		<title>By: California Patriot</title>
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		<dc:creator>California Patriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What do they know that we don&#039;t, that would drive them to NOT listen to the people?  They do not appear to be afraid of 2010 OR 2012.  They just bulldoze on through.  This is not America anymore.  I will tell you this, everyone who has no insurance coverage should stand up and NO to their maniacal dictate.  Sue their sorry asses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do they know that we don&#8217;t, that would drive them to NOT listen to the people?  They do not appear to be afraid of 2010 OR 2012.  They just bulldoze on through.  This is not America anymore.  I will tell you this, everyone who has no insurance coverage should stand up and NO to their maniacal dictate.  Sue their sorry asses.</p>
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