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		<title>By: Obama hearing Monday 10/5/2009 8AM U.S. District Court Santa Ana, CA. - Christian Forums</title>
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		<dc:creator>Obama hearing Monday 10/5/2009 8AM U.S. District Court Santa Ana, CA. - Christian Forums</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 15:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Daniel Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 16:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, I was looking around for a while searching for military hawaii and I happened upon this site and your post regarding gners: Become A US Citizen; Get Your Hawaii Birth Certificate Here!!!! : Logistics Monster, I will definitely this to my military hawaii bookmarks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I was looking around for a while searching for military hawaii and I happened upon this site and your post regarding gners: Become A US Citizen; Get Your Hawaii Birth Certificate Here!!!! : Logistics Monster, I will definitely this to my military hawaii bookmarks!</p>
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		<title>By: NativeAlien</title>
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		<dc:creator>NativeAlien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 01:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also: &quot;The term African American didn’t even exist until the 1970’s. [...] With all due respect, in 1961 his father’s race would have been listed as “negro” or “colored.”&quot;

Incorrect. Negro is a Black American term. In Europe black-skinned people are called Black. In South Africa it is Kaffir (which has taken on a far more pejorative connotation). I am not sure that &quot;colored&quot; is a term used outside of the states either.

As a man who probably -- since we are all mind readers on this site -- didn&#039;t see himself as American there is no reason to think that BHO, Sr. would have used specifically American terms to identify himself.

Depending on his nationalistic tendencies and the fact that Kenya was still a British territory at the time of Barack&#039;s birth he might have thought of himself as African... as opposed to Kenyan. That or the doctor wrote it down after he was told Kenyan. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also: &#8220;The term African American didn’t even exist until the 1970’s. [...] With all due respect, in 1961 his father’s race would have been listed as “negro” or “colored.”&#8221;</p>
<p>Incorrect. Negro is a Black American term. In Europe black-skinned people are called Black. In South Africa it is Kaffir (which has taken on a far more pejorative connotation). I am not sure that &#8220;colored&#8221; is a term used outside of the states either.</p>
<p>As a man who probably &#8212; since we are all mind readers on this site &#8212; didn&#8217;t see himself as American there is no reason to think that BHO, Sr. would have used specifically American terms to identify himself.</p>
<p>Depending on his nationalistic tendencies and the fact that Kenya was still a British territory at the time of Barack&#8217;s birth he might have thought of himself as African&#8230; as opposed to Kenyan. That or the doctor wrote it down after he was told Kenyan. <img src='http://logisticsmonster.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: NativeAlien</title>
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		<dc:creator>NativeAlien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 00:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am going to assume that all here aren&#039;t being purposefully intellectually dishonest with this issue and that there are simply some things with which you weren&#039;t familiar.

The form Obama has displayed to the press is Hawaii&#039;s short form birth certificate. There isn&#039;t even an option to request the long form as a replacement, which has things like weight, doctor, etc. 

The law (HRS §§338-17.7, 338-20.5)which provides birth certificates to foreign nationals adopted in Hawaii, passed in 1981, would provide a &quot;Hawaii Certificate of Foreign Birth&quot;. It would still state country of birth and would not declare you were born in Hawaii. It would simply add your adoptive parents names as your parents. Additionally, the certificate is for adoptions. You can&#039;t go in and simply request a birth certificate from Hawaii. Someone has to have been adopted by a Hawaiian citizen.

In October, the Director of Health and the State Registrar both examined the long form certificate on file with the state and declared it &quot;valid.&quot; That word is from their statement.

While I personally think this is a ridiculous issue and one crafted by the right-wing echo chamber to provide themselves with relevance. I, and others like me, would be swayed about this &quot;constitutional crisis&quot; with a more intellectually honest analysis than I&#039;ve heard here or at other venues like this. When the people charged with determining who is a citizen of the state say he is a citizen of the state it leaves your argument in tatters.

Keep in mind the absence of proof isn&#039;t proof in America. When it does becomes proof I&#039;ll be taking my leave of my beloved country. The onus of proof isn&#039;t on the accused it is on the accuser. And thank god for that.

I am always reminded by the words of my grandfather at times like this: Just because you believe something doesn&#039;t make it true.

Regards and have a good day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am going to assume that all here aren&#8217;t being purposefully intellectually dishonest with this issue and that there are simply some things with which you weren&#8217;t familiar.</p>
<p>The form Obama has displayed to the press is Hawaii&#8217;s short form birth certificate. There isn&#8217;t even an option to request the long form as a replacement, which has things like weight, doctor, etc. </p>
<p>The law (HRS §§338-17.7, 338-20.5)which provides birth certificates to foreign nationals adopted in Hawaii, passed in 1981, would provide a &#8220;Hawaii Certificate of Foreign Birth&#8221;. It would still state country of birth and would not declare you were born in Hawaii. It would simply add your adoptive parents names as your parents. Additionally, the certificate is for adoptions. You can&#8217;t go in and simply request a birth certificate from Hawaii. Someone has to have been adopted by a Hawaiian citizen.</p>
<p>In October, the Director of Health and the State Registrar both examined the long form certificate on file with the state and declared it &#8220;valid.&#8221; That word is from their statement.</p>
<p>While I personally think this is a ridiculous issue and one crafted by the right-wing echo chamber to provide themselves with relevance. I, and others like me, would be swayed about this &#8220;constitutional crisis&#8221; with a more intellectually honest analysis than I&#8217;ve heard here or at other venues like this. When the people charged with determining who is a citizen of the state say he is a citizen of the state it leaves your argument in tatters.</p>
<p>Keep in mind the absence of proof isn&#8217;t proof in America. When it does becomes proof I&#8217;ll be taking my leave of my beloved country. The onus of proof isn&#8217;t on the accused it is on the accuser. And thank god for that.</p>
<p>I am always reminded by the words of my grandfather at times like this: Just because you believe something doesn&#8217;t make it true.</p>
<p>Regards and have a good day.</p>
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		<title>By: mcnorman</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 00:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is done all the time.  Mexico allows its citizens to keep their dual citizenship to insure $  flowing back to the country.  Citizens keep their Mexican status as long as possible in order to keep their property.  They work it well in both countries.  
Texas allows the same thing.  It is more common than you think.  If you have a baby in Texas, parents will register the birth in Mexico as well.  
Dual citizenship should not be an option.  Germany forces you to decide on your 18th birthday.  
When the Iraq</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is done all the time.  Mexico allows its citizens to keep their dual citizenship to insure $  flowing back to the country.  Citizens keep their Mexican status as long as possible in order to keep their property.  They work it well in both countries.<br />
Texas allows the same thing.  It is more common than you think.  If you have a baby in Texas, parents will register the birth in Mexico as well.<br />
Dual citizenship should not be an option.  Germany forces you to decide on your 18th birthday.<br />
When the Iraq</p>
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